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Old 11-24-2014, 08:33 PM   #81 (permalink)
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So Rhythm Nation is not an iconic album?

Rhythm Nation is not an Iconic video?

lol ok

I never said she was on the same level as Michael, NO ONE is but that still does not change she is an Icon
Until a little while ago, I'd never even heard of Rhythm Nation, and I'm willing to bet a large percentage of even this forum hadn't either. I'm sure I've listened to a few of her songs, but not for years. Seriously, no one on Earth has ever listened to a Janet Jackson album. Not once. And don't say you have, cause you're clearly living on Mars. Nobody remembers anything about her except for her name. That's it. If it wasn't for that she'd be just another forgotten footnote in music history.
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So wait, is somebody considered an icon if you are not even aware that this icon exists? If she is an icon, wouldn't I know something about her. Because all I know is her name. Then again, this is coming from a person who found out who MJ was the day he died.
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john cage is an icon that's for damn sure
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Old 11-24-2014, 08:46 PM   #84 (permalink)
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john cage is an icon that's for damn sure
Of course. He showed the world that recording 4 minutes of silence is bankable. What a legend more like.
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Old 11-24-2014, 08:47 PM   #85 (permalink)
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So wait, is somebody considered an icon if you are not even aware that this icon exists? If she is an icon, wouldn't I know something about her. Because all I know is her name. Then again, this is coming from a person who found out who MJ was the day he died.
Alright, yeah, your opinion is irrelevant. Go stand in the corner.
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Old 11-24-2014, 08:49 PM   #86 (permalink)
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You're missing my point. I'm not saying she's not an icon. I'm saying that just because you don't like an artist like Kanye or Lady Gaga doesn't strip them of being icons. I provided you with objective (lulz) information on why they were icons and you were blinded by your dislike for them.

You did provide reasons. However, none of those things you mentioned has made a cultural significant impact on pop culture. None of what you mentioned has been groundbreaking for music.
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Old 11-24-2014, 08:50 PM   #87 (permalink)
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Alright, yeah, your opinion is irrelevant. Go stand in the corner.
Just curious. Would you say Iron Maiden are Iconic. I mean, their live performances are considered the best. Also their album covers. And their mascot. Are they Legends or Icons?
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I don't think an artist can be iconic when it's already been established that multiple people can't name a single song by them. Icon is such an intense, loaded word. Not everybody that is famous is an icon, but to be icon you need to be in the public consciousness even today.
And The Bodyguard an iconic moment? That movie is utter gash and I'd be hard pressed to find a person of my generation who has seen. Heck, I'd struggle to find many that even know who Kevin Costner is.

But YOU do LOL


You know about the movie lol


The movie is an Iconic moment mostly because of the soundtrack and "I Will Always Love You" the song.
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Until a little while ago, I'd never even heard of Rhythm Nation, and I'm willing to bet a large percentage of even this forum hadn't either. I'm sure I've listened to a few of her songs, but not for years. Seriously, no one on Earth has ever listened to a Janet Jackson album. Not once. And don't say you have, cause you're clearly living on Mars. Nobody remembers anything about her except for her name. That's it. If it wasn't for that she'd be just another forgotten footnote in music history.
Is this because YOU don't listen to her?


This seems like a exaggerated assumption.

She is one of the biggest selling artist of all time.

And at one time sold out stadiums

So I highly doubt that.
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You did provide reasons. However, none of those things you mentioned has made a cultural significant impact on pop culture. None of what you mentioned has been groundbreaking for music.
Nope those are objective facts. I still have not seen you say why Kanye is not an icon.
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