Icon vs Legend (subjective or objective terms?) Which one is more enduring?

The Batlord · 11-26-2014, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

Not a day goes by where i don't think about Janet jackson's boob and seriously, if we're lowering the icon bar so low that Vanilla ice is one Janet should be one as well cause Vanilla had Ice baby but Janet jackson had rhythm nation, That's the way love goes, Any time Any Place and more hits Vanilla ice was just a white Mc hammer with one hit.

I don't see what quality has to do with anything. We're not talking about how good an artist is, we're talking about how "iconic" they are. Vanilla Ice is remembered far and wide by everybody and their mother as "the 'Ice Ice Baby' guy", whereas Janet is basically remembered for A.) her brother, and B.) the fact that she did something of note that nobody can really recall at this point.

Of course, this all begs the question of whether or not anybody should care about icon status, as clearly, it's not necessarily related to talent.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

You just know he cried himself to sleep after he cashed that check.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 11-26-2014, 08:29 AM

The problem is that there's a difference between an iconic moment and a person being an icon.

I think of John Lydon as being an iconic person for the reason that he made 2 groundbreaking albums in 2 different genres and regardless of your opinion of him you'd be hard pressed to find too many people who have done that.

However one of his iconic moments was when the Sex Pistols appeared on The Grundy Show with Lydon swearing and basically announcing the arrival of punk in the mainstream and whipping up the media and the establishment to mass hysteria.

However just because I consider that an iconic moment in music history doesn't mean I don't consider Lydon an icon for doing it.

Black Francis · 11-26-2014, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I don't see what quality has to do with anything. We're not talking about how good an artist is, we're talking about how "iconic" they are. Vanilla Ice is remembered far and wide by everybody and their mother as "the 'Ice Ice Baby' guy", whereas Janet is basically remembered for A.) her brother, and B.) the fact that she did something of note that nobody can really recall at this point.

Of course, this all begs the question of whether or not anybody should care about icon status, as clearly, it's not necessarily related to talent.

Rhythm f*ckin Nation! >_<
Everybody who knows Vanilla ice knows that song as well.

Even if that one hit by Vanilla ice was bigger than any of hers she has always been a mainstream artist and most ppl can name at least one song from her because she actually had a career not just a one hit single.
But even if ppl can't name one of her songs they at least know she was a musician were as Vanilla ice is mostly remembered as a joke from the 90's.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 11-26-2014, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

Rhythm f*ckin Nation! >_<

You keep on about this.
I know it's the name of one of her albums, I had no idea it's a single itself and I couldn't for the life of me tell you how the song goes.

Shows how iconic it is really.

The Batlord · 11-26-2014, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

You keep on about this.
I know it's the name of one of her albums, I had no idea it's a single itself and I couldn't for the life of me tell you how the song goes.

Shows how iconic it is really.

I was about to say the same thing. Had no idea it was even a song. Face it, BF, Vanilla Ice is more iconic as a joke than Janet Jackson is as a legitimate artist.

Black Francis · 11-26-2014, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

You keep on about this.
I know it's the name of one of her albums, I had no idea it's a single itself and I couldn't for the life of me tell you how the song goes.

Shows how iconic it is really.

It goes:

"We are a part of a rhythm nation~"

then something, something, and that's it.

Best song ever.

Chula Vista · 11-26-2014, 10:43 AM

It's actually a pretty awesome song and video. And it ruled the day back then. When Soulflower made the bold statement that JJ was one of the best selling artists of all time I was all ready to call BS but then I checked and lo and behold, it's true.

List of best-selling music artists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

DwnWthVwls · 11-26-2014, 10:49 AM

Who the hell is George Strait?

Chula Vista · 11-26-2014, 10:51 AM

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Who the hell is George Strait?

That list seems kind of sketchy? The Beatles and Michael Jackson aren't on there?

Scroll up.

DwnWthVwls · 11-26-2014, 10:53 AM

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Scroll up.

Yeh I edited that comment.. Didn't realize the link was further down the page. Doh.

Stop replying so damn fast!

11-26-2014, 08:29 AM	#162 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	The problem is that there's a difference between an iconic moment and a person being an icon. I think of John Lydon as being an iconic person for the reason that he made 2 groundbreaking albums in 2 different genres and regardless of your opinion of him you'd be hard pressed to find too many people who have done that. However one of his iconic moments was when the Sex Pistols appeared on The Grundy Show with Lydon swearing and basically announcing the arrival of punk in the mainstream and whipping up the media and the establishment to mass hysteria. However just because I consider that an iconic moment in music history doesn't mean I don't consider Lydon an icon for doing it. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

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Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	It's actually a pretty awesome song and video. And it ruled the day back then. When Soulflower made the bold statement that JJ was one of the best selling artists of all time I was all ready to call BS but then I checked and lo and behold, it's true. List of best-selling music artists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”