Examples of music that's ruining music...
 

...along with the labels that are no longer about signing the bands, acts, singers, or whatever that have the talent and something to say. This is music that I firmly believe is really slitting the figurative throat of good music, while the aforementioned good music is pushed aside in a bloody mess...metaphorically.

You've got stuff like...



And...



Nicki was in a movie a watched with my fiance called The Other Woman. And yeah, just like her music, she really bombed in the movie and annoyed the hell out of me with how she talked, just like with her music that annoys the hell out of me. People buy this ****? Come one...stop buying music just because it's fun to listen to, even when it's bad music...just stop. Buy the albums that are worth buying, support the bands or artists worth supporting. Not this trash...

Moving along...



Lorde won an award for best rock video. Really? Give me a break...a pop star winning the award for best rock video. Fire everyone behind that awards show, get people in there that know their music and this won't happen anymore.

The statement I'm making with this thread, is simply that I have an issue with this kind of music, how so many call these people talented when their music is just laughable. They win grammy's, have platinum records. It's a problem everyone. I have an issue with the people that buy records from artists like this, that allow them to stay around and continue making this...this garbage, and they're praised for it! This past week, I was at my mall and overheard some woman, mid twenties...say, around 26, and she was praising Kesha and how talented she is. I nearly lost my mind hearing that? She's part of what's wrong with the music these days! The good music seems to not even matter anymore, the genuine artists or bands with talent, and something to say don't seem to matter anymore, pretty much to hardly anyone! It aggravates the hell out of me.

I guess the record labels have to make money somehow. And to just cut ties with the acts they know will get them that money because they can manipulate them to making the music that's popular, top 40, so on and so forth, would be like cutting the jugular. I just feel like talent isn't important at all to labels anymore, or to people in general. It's all about that money for the labels, and to ordinary people, they just want music with a phat beat and no point to it. Shoot me in the head and put an end to my misery...

Who else feels this way?

Why's it ruining music?

Chart music has been around forever.
If it wasn't for me discovering chart music when I was a kid I wouldn't have an interest in music now.

People have different priorities when it comes to music.
Some want something special and like to explore. And that's great.
And some want to be entertained on the most superficial level and there's nothing bad about that.
And how could this ruin music? Good music doesn't suddenly become worse because of it.

And in a few years, nobody will remember the awful candy songs, only the ones that shined through the rest and became timeless hits. Hey, you might even look back on today's music with nostalgia once tomorrow's music comes. At the place I work, my boss hated the Beatles back in the day and thought they were "ruining music". Now, she would rather listen to them all day than one top 100 song. Remember, people used to smash Rock and Roll records as a protest to their "moral degradation and lack of substance".

I just had a few paragraphs explaining why I think acts like Nicki Minaj or Taylor Swift are ruining music, but I wiped them because I was ranting. But I get frustrated when I even attempt to make someone grasp my way of thinking, because it's like I speak another language.

But really, it shouldn't be that hard for you to figure out Urban. You seem smart.

When is the last time you read about a label signing someone, anyone at all that deserved it? I sure as hell haven't seen anyone lately that should have gotten that record contract. It's not about that anymore. They just want people they can exploit, or control, to market a certain sound to keep making them money...

Maybe the problem is the record companies more than it's the artists they're signing? Either way. I don't hear anything worth a damn on the radio anymore. Those bands or singers that really have something to offer have taken to pledge websites to get funded by fans, because labels have no interest unless it's that soulless crap you see on FUSE, MTV, or VH1, whatever music channel you have.

Damn it. I really doubt I answered your question. All I know is that it makes sense in my head. Maybe I'll try answering your question another time.

There wasn't one time I said that good music suddenly gets worse because all the bad music is getting the attention. Good music stays just that, good. Only it's ignored and replaced by this senseless garbage like Nicki Minaj.

Back when that was happening, a lot of those Rock N Roll cassettes, vinyl records that people were destroying, a lot of those bands or artists had something worth saying, and a lot of people were angered by what they heard because it challenged their own views or beliefs. When was the last time you turned on the radio and heard a song that really had something to say, that made you think and not just tap your foot because it was catchy, but otherwise lacked anything to say?

Music isn't produced by one single artist or even a small group. There are millions of ****ing musicians out there so I don't think that an artist or stream of bad popular artists can ruin music since there are artists who won't even listen to the bad music. Ruining music is an impossible task because there'll always be other artists attempting to set the record straight.

Lorde - Royals. That song basically sh*t all over mainstream music and got tons of love from the mainstream. Not because of the message though, because it was catchy. Majority of the people listening to radio music do it so they don't have to sit in a quiet car or listen to talk radio.

Mainstream music is not made to sound substantial. It's made for bars, background noise, and social events where people just like to have something tickling their ears without requiring thinking to appreciate it. Pop music fulfills this role perfectly. Also, making good pop music is a f*cking art, it may sound like crap to people who have no appreciation for it but I'm confident there is a science behind it.

I don't see a problem investing money in any kind of fun unless it is harmful to others. People used to say that **** to me all the time.. "OMG you spend real money on a video game?". Yes, I do it provides hours of entertainment. $10-20 for a cd that potentially provides a life time of enjoyment is a solid investment.

I can't say I've noticed any deep meaning in early rock and roll.

I was just leading your "ruining music" opinion ad absurdum, I know you didn't mean exactly that.
The majority has always listened to crap. That doesn't endanger the existence of good music in any way. Good music is still made and will always be made. And now it's easier than ever to make, record and spread it.
You might really react to other people's tastes to emotionally. If I'd start to be pissed off by other people's tastes I wouldn't bear to be near almost any of my friends. They mostly listen to really terrible music. They are still cool and mostly intelligent people though.
Don't get me wrong, it's not like I don't understand you. I do on some level. But I don't give a **** about all this terrible artists. Why would I even tarnish the angelic purity and beauty of the temple of my conscience with any thought about them, positive or negative?

I'll respond to each of you after I get some sleep. This guy has been up for forever.

I probably shouldn't be bumping this thread or stirring the pot any further than it has been already but I think the easiest way for you to find peace of mind here is by simply focusing more on music that truly matters to you, sharing it with people that are enthusiastic about exploring music (example: here), and just forgetting about pop music altogether. I understand it frustrates you that these artists are showered in awards and praise in the media and you don't think genuinely creative musicians are getting the compensation they deserve, but it really is just business, and it really has been this way since the birth of mainstream music.

Mainstream music has always come down to designing a product that appeals to the largest number of consumers, the reason we don't see any Led Zeppelins or Pink Floyds anymore is because the masses don't eat that up anymore, we're not in a social revolution anymore, we're not putting flowers in rifle barrels like we used to. Mainstream music will always reflect the attitudes of the largest consumer audience. The reason we're seeing a saturation of artists writing about extremely trivial subject matter is because we're living in a very peaceful time (at least here in the Western world). We can be confident that next time we find ourselves in a time of great turmoil or some sort of massive social revolution or whatever the mainstream media will play to that, once again we'll see a wave of political pop music.

If musicians and artists want mass recognition they'll gear their music towards the masses, they'll stir the mob, that's what sells albums, that's what the major record companies tell their clients to do, that's what the band manager pushes for. It worked for the great rock bands of the 60s and 70s because that was the time they lived in, that's what happened to get people going at the time, it's not that time anymore.

But it's okay, because everything outside of mainstream music doesn't really give a **** about mainstream music, they'll just go ahead and continue being creative musicians writing fantastic albums, regardless of Nicki Minaj writing trivial songs about the statistical improbability of her booty genes. There is still a colossal amount of incredible music being released every year, there are still massive festivals all over the place that do give small time acts a giant stage to perform on, even Rolling Stone is still offering positive headlines to new experimental artists (example: Pharmakon's new album). The music community is very alive and well, regardless of who's getting awards on TV. It's ok, Taylor Swift and Nicki Minaj aren't ruining anything, they're completely irrelevant to the evolution of music as a whole.

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We Canadians have had two soldiers killed within our borders during the past week. Times are still turbulent.

good thread

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Contrived is clearly a troll. He stirs **** up, says he'll respond to it, then never does. I'm totally kidding with all this by the way.

As far as the topic, I agree with urban.

I'd cut off my fingers before I resorted to the antics of a troll. I actually forgot about this thread, so cut me some slack, my good man.

EPOCH, kudos for that awesome post man. I found myself in concurring to your points completely.

But it probably isn't something I can just ignore, all this trivial music about nothing at all, these trivial or pointless acts getting showered in awards for music that stands for pretty much nothing. I've tried. The way I work, isn't in a way when it comes to music, that I can just ignore stuff like this. My head would explode.

BRING BACK THE NON TRIVIAL MUSIC

There's always been really crappy music out there so I don't think that any music is nesasarily ruining music although there is really bad music out there

Yeah that's about the best point that an tone could make about this I believe

TalentlessH _oe.

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I actually feel you have a point, at first I thought it was just a cultural shift and that R&B would continue to rule the charts, but when it started to give way, I found that the music was still bad.


I'll just make three points

1. Once upon a time indie bands (take new wave for example) would push their way to the top, to make pop music interesting and give it some authenticity.







2) Despite the success of Goyte, these types of bands just don't seem to get a push anymore, examples of songs I think could have been at least top 40 hits, but never went anywhere







3) Instead we have to endure this horrible butchering of once great past songs with sampling (this one still really ruffles my panties)



and I'm still perturbed that this was the number 1 hit back in 2009



So I don't know, maybe I'm just getting old & out of touch, but a lot of pop music today sucks hard!

/thread.

I wouldn't go as far as to say it ruins music, but some good artists definitely get pushed aside I think, simply because they don't have candy girls bouncing their butts in their video's
Just look at hiphop, the good rappers are mostly underground while the mainstream ones use money and tits to get sales

I guess it all depends on what your definition of "music" is.

Anyone can listen to whatever they want. If someone likes justin beiber he is probably an idiot but it doesn't effect me listening to Led Zeppelin.

Or maybe just someone who likes their music light and easy and wrapped up in flashy bows. Or maybe someone whose ears haven't yet matured to the point of searching out deeper fare. Or maybe just a teenybopper.

Those have been around since the 50s and they are as devoted to the music/artists they like as any other genre fan.

never forget that im an idiot whos ears haven't matured

The vast majority of people who listen to Justin Beiber are adolescent girls who haven't yet developed their tastes in music, you'd hardly expect them to be Led Zeppelin fangirls.

I dont think this has anything to do with mature ears:

there are people who like the simple happy melodics of bubblegum music: there is a charm to it that may not be my cup of tea, but I can see the attraction. Your average RUSH, Yes, or Porcupine Tree song is going to have too much going on in it to make the magic of listening to simplicity enjoyable.

There is something to be said for simple hooks and catchy melodies that fare like Miley, One Direction, and Bieber deliver....its not my thing but it doesnt make it wrong or less mature

Agreed. Mature was the wrong word.

Does that mean they're extra small?

I love simple hooks and catchy melodies, but generally not in chart music.

I just haven't gone through ear puberty yet ok

My ear lobes haven't descended. Everything sounds really high.






Or am I just listening to too much Cypress Hill?

I'm sorry, but this came off so douchy that I couldn't even finish reading your posts.

J-Pop.

My "beef" is that, there are a lot of good bands out these days, even some that can compete with the best of (at least) the 80's and even some of the 70's. But the style of music they do just isn't that popular anymore.

I continue to be completely stunned that Lonerism, for example, is not still in the Billboard 200, while, for example, the Arctic Monkeys and Imagine Dragons - whom I consider to be very bland bands - continue to churn the charts. As I've said before, if Tame Impala had come around in 1970 they would be a huge band, probably as big as Led Zeppelin. Clearly musical tastes among the public have changed.

However, I think there's more to it than just changing musical tastes. I recently got back from a trip to visit my 3 sisters in North Carolina. All 3 of them share reasonably similar musical tastes as me, and we're all similar ages. Two of the three I got both of Tame Impala's albums for Christmas last year. When I got there last week I asked one of them if she had listened to those albums, and she said she did but they were not her cup of tea. This is someone who is an unabashed fan of Led Zeppelin, Yes, the Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd, etc. There's no reason why she shouldn't like Tame Impala. The other of the two sisters, who is also a huge Led Zeppelin fan, I played the Tame Impala song "Led Zeppelin" while we were driving somewhere. She HATED it. She also said it DID NOT sound like a Led Zeppelin song (even though it obviously does!). I've talked to her on the phone several times over the past half year or so and tried to plug that band and encourage her to listen to the albums I got her for Christmas, and even though she said she's given it a few listens, she still seemed completely uninterested in them when I got there.

So I'm tempted to think there is something in modern recording/mixing/engineering techniques that really turns a lot of people off (probably the sound compression), albeit subconsciously. I do agree it makes a lot of modern recordings sound sterile, but I try not to let that bother me. But to someone who is accustomed to listening to older, "warm" recordings, a more modern "sterile" sounding recording - even of something extremely similar to the older music they like - might be a turn off. That's the only reason why I can think my sisters did not like some music that, IMO, they probably otherwise "should" have liked.

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Or maybe people just like music that f*cking rocks on its own, without any pretense?

The weird thing about that is, when I was a teenager, Led Zeppelin was hugely popular among my fellow teens.