Examples of music that's ruining music...

Chula Vista · 11-02-2014, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

I'm frustrated that people support artists like Nikki Minaj or Taylor Swift that having nothing of worth to contribute to music, other than just existing.

In "YOUR" opinion.

Not very familiar with Minaj, but Swift is the real deal. She writes, plays, sings, and looks good doing it. Perfect for the times.

Most of the bands I consider classic were dismissed at one point as "having nothing of worth to contribute to music".

Be careful........

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 11-02-2014, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Exo_

Who are you to say that they aren't contributing to music? YOU may not find value in their music, but what would you tell somebody who listened to a Taylor Swift song during a sh*tty time in their life and felt better because of it? Is that not contribution? You don't get to decide what is worthy and what is not worthy. That's not the kind of thing that works well in music or generally in art as a whole.

This is from your first post...

Then you try to take it back...

That's fine. I'm all for saying stuff in the heat of the moment and all. You haven't really given us a counter point to your frustration posts though. You just kind of said...oh, I didn't mean that though. Really? This is a message board. I'm going to respond to what you write on a message board because it's the only form of communication that occurs here. You write something, I take that as your opinion and give you mine. The whole "well, I didn't mean it that way so you're wrong about me" is complete bullsh*t. Back what you say or explain to me why you were wrong in what you were saying. Otherwise how the hell am I supposed to know what you're talking about?

How am I acting douchy? The way you wrote that comment to Urban came off that way. You're whole argument, whether you "meant it" or not came off snarky, elitist, and misinformed. That's douchy to me. Do I think your a douche? I don't know you man. I couldn't make claims to your character after reading a couple posts, but the ones I read came off douchy. You're a laid back guy? Great. That's nice. You're the one who started this though, so don't get upset that somebody doesn't agree with you. Which brings me to...

You're right. I am the only one who said it was douchy. I am not however the only one who had a problem with what you said. In fact, I'm having a hard time finding single post in agreement with you on this subject. William_the_Bloody sort of agreed with you, but if you want to call that agreement then you'll have one supporter. In fact, you had some people in this thread calling you a troll. What are you talking about?

If you want to participate on this message board, you're going to have to learn how to deal with people who don't agree with you. I don't agree with you. I find your original post, regardless of what you meant, to be a little pompous. Nobody is saying that you can't share your opinion, but try not to whine about it after somebody calls you out on it. For what it's worth, sorry for calling what you said douchy.

Ok, ok yeah, I see what you're saying...to all of that.

I said all of that in the heat of the moment. Force of habit. I'm the kind of guy that does that sort of thing. Sometimes it takes someone coming along to point it out, as stubborn as I am to see it even when it is pointed out to me. And maybe when I collect my thoughts to better explain my point of this thread, I will.

And, I am perfectly fine with people disagreeing with me. What you see here between us, is me more or less just responding to you making that comment about me being douchy, it's hardly about you disagreeing with me, I really don't care about that. If I had an issue with people disagreeing with me, I wouldn't register on a forum like this one and express my views, I wouldn't even care to voice my views at all to my own friends or family if I couldn't take being disagreed with. But I will respond to anyone calling me a name, or anything like that. I won't just ignore something like that, especially if it isn't true of my character.

Anyway. I take away some amount of respect toward you with our exchange here. Obviously you're an intelligent person (hey now, don't call me a douche for that hahaha!) <----- A joke...so in other words, I think being able to discuss anything with you in the future would be cool.

Oh, and for the record. I am aware that there hasn't been anyone that agreed with my initial post, however...I don't remember the name of who said it, someone did say they sort of see my point. I wasn't looking for people to only agree with me, I wanted to see what people thought overall about what I said, whether they agreed or not. Urban and I have little spats, but it is never personal. I don't know the dude anyway.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 11-02-2014, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

In "YOUR" opinion.

Not very familiar with Minaj, but Swift is the real deal. She writes, plays, sings, and looks good doing it. Perfect for the times.

Most of the bands I consider classic were dismissed at one point as "having nothing of worth to contribute to music".

Be careful........

Hahaha, well. You're the first person that has ever said Swift is the real deal. I'm no fan of hers, obviously. And my opinion is that she's nothing special.

You talking about hair bands, or just in general? Because I see your point. But really, I can't see someone like Minaj or Swift twenty years or so from now, being regarded is any sort of icon.

And, I yell at clouds all the time. Especially if the weather sucks.

Chula Vista · 11-02-2014, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

I can't see Swift twenty years or so from now, being regarded is any sort of icon.

She's 8 years into her career and soaring. She's won 8 Grammy's, 15 American Music Awards, 12 Billboard Music Awards, and been nominated for 2 Golden Globes.

She's sold more albums than Metallica, Van Halen, REM, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, The Who, Guns N Roses, and Prince.

Pretty sure folks will be talking about her in 2034.

Step down from your soapbox dude.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 11-02-2014, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

She's 8 years into her career and soaring. She's won 8 Grammy's, 15 American Music Awards, 12 Billboard Music Awards, and been nominated for 2 Golden Globes.

She's sold more albums than Metallica, Van Halen, REM, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, The Who, Guns N Roses, and Prince.

Pretty sure folks will be talking about her in 2034.

Step down from your soapbox dude.

I have to ask. Do you define an artists or bands worth/credibility/talent based on their success and overall reception? I respect that she has amassed so much, so early on in her career. But I feel she's given more credit than she deserves. That is my opinion. I am not knocking you for the opinion you have of her, so please don't take it that way.

But! She has not sold more albums than Metallica. Metallica have sold over 50 million albums in the United States alone, 120 million worldwide, while Swift collectively has only sold 30 million albums overall. And she also has not sold more albums than Van Halen. You may have meant that Swift has sold more albums than Metallica or Van Halen did 8 years in to their careers, but even then you'd be wrong. I mean, over 80 million records sold for Van Halen. Prince has sold over 100 million albums worldwide. So how exactly has Swift sold more albums than any of those three? I just don't see how you came to that Chula.

And if you mean Swift has sold more albums than either of those three and any album they've release recently...I don't know about that.

Chula Vista · 11-02-2014, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

But! She has not sold more albums than Metallica.

List of best-selling music artists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 11-02-2014, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

List of best-selling music artists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I used Wikipedia too. But I've never entirely thought that website to be completely accurate. I really doubt Swift has sold more than Metallica in just 8 years.

And I'd like your thoughts on this question I asked you, good chap.

Do you define an artists or bands worth/credibility/talent based on their success and overall reception?

Rexx Shredd · 11-02-2014, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

But! She has not sold more albums than Metallica. Metallica have sold over 50 million albums in the United States alone, 120 million worldwide, while Swift collectively has only sold 30 million albums overall.

Eminem has sold 155 Million albums in the US

TuPac has sold 75 Million since 2007

The Beastie Boys debut album, "Liscenced to Ill", sold 9 Million copies in the USA- this one album makes up for almost 1/5th of all Metallica's album sales....

Just to be fair

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 11-02-2014, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rexx Shredd

Eminem has sold 155 Million albums in the US

TuPac has sold 75 Million since 2007

The Beastie Boys debut album, "Liscenced to Ill", sold 9 Million copies in the USA- this one album makes up for almost 1/5th of all Metallica's album sales....

Just to be fair

All very respectable sales, indeed.

Swift has only sold 30 millions albums or more in the US, so you can see my confusion with Chula and their claim that Swift has outsold Metallicas overall album sales, which she has not. Metallicas sales in the US alone are nearly 25 million more than Swift. I get that Chula finds what Swift has accomplished so early on in her career impressive, and I do agree, success is success. I'd really like to see certifiable proof of Metallica's overall albums sales though, same with Swift. I just don't rely entirely on Wikipedia, I use it more for referencing than anything else. And according to either Metallica or Swifts pages, Swift still falls short by a long shot.

DwnWthVwls · 11-02-2014, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

All very respectable sales, indeed.

Swift has only sold 30 millions albums or more in the US, so you can see my confusion with Chula and their claim that Swift has outsold Metallicas overall album sales, which she has not. Metallicas sales in the US alone are nearly 25 million more than Swift.

Source?

Also, I don't think you're giving enough credit to how much technology has enabled sales. It's perfectly reasonable for "sh*tty" artists to outsell all the best bands from 70/80/90s because music is soo much more accessible now.