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Old 11-01-2014, 03:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 11-01-2014, 09:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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My "beef" is that, there are a lot of good bands out these days, even some that can compete with the best of (at least) the 80's and even some of the 70's. But the style of music they do just isn't that popular anymore.

I continue to be completely stunned that Lonerism, for example, is not still in the Billboard 200, while, for example, the Arctic Monkeys and Imagine Dragons - whom I consider to be very bland bands - continue to churn the charts. As I've said before, if Tame Impala had come around in 1970 they would be a huge band, probably as big as Led Zeppelin. Clearly musical tastes among the public have changed.

However, I think there's more to it than just changing musical tastes. I recently got back from a trip to visit my 3 sisters in North Carolina. All 3 of them share reasonably similar musical tastes as me, and we're all similar ages. Two of the three I got both of Tame Impala's albums for Christmas last year. When I got there last week I asked one of them if she had listened to those albums, and she said she did but they were not her cup of tea. This is someone who is an unabashed fan of Led Zeppelin, Yes, the Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd, etc. There's no reason why she shouldn't like Tame Impala. The other of the two sisters, who is also a huge Led Zeppelin fan, I played the Tame Impala song "Led Zeppelin" while we were driving somewhere. She HATED it. She also said it DID NOT sound like a Led Zeppelin song (even though it obviously does!). I've talked to her on the phone several times over the past half year or so and tried to plug that band and encourage her to listen to the albums I got her for Christmas, and even though she said she's given it a few listens, she still seemed completely uninterested in them when I got there.

So I'm tempted to think there is something in modern recording/mixing/engineering techniques that really turns a lot of people off (probably the sound compression), albeit subconsciously. I do agree it makes a lot of modern recordings sound sterile, but I try not to let that bother me. But to someone who is accustomed to listening to older, "warm" recordings, a more modern "sterile" sounding recording - even of something extremely similar to the older music they like - might be a turn off. That's the only reason why I can think my sisters did not like some music that, IMO, they probably otherwise "should" have liked.
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Old 11-01-2014, 10:04 PM   #3 (permalink)
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^^^^

Or maybe people just like music that f*cking rocks on its own, without any pretense?
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My "beef" is that, there are a lot of good bands out these days, even some that can compete with the best of (at least) the 80's and even some of the 70's. But the style of music they do just isn't that popular anymore.

I continue to be completely stunned that Lonerism, for example, is not still in the Billboard 200, while, for example, the Arctic Monkeys and Imagine Dragons - whom I consider to be very bland bands - continue to churn the charts. As I've said before, if Tame Impala had come around in 1970 they would be a huge band, probably as big as Led Zeppelin. Clearly musical tastes among the public have changed.

However, I think there's more to it than just changing musical tastes. I recently got back from a trip to visit my 3 sisters in North Carolina. All 3 of them share reasonably similar musical tastes as me, and we're all similar ages. Two of the three I got both of Tame Impala's albums for Christmas last year. When I got there last week I asked one of them if she had listened to those albums, and she said she did but they were not her cup of tea. This is someone who is an unabashed fan of Led Zeppelin, Yes, the Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd, etc. There's no reason why she shouldn't like Tame Impala. The other of the two sisters, who is also a huge Led Zeppelin fan, I played the Tame Impala song "Led Zeppelin" while we were driving somewhere. She HATED it. She also said it DID NOT sound like a Led Zeppelin song (even though it obviously does!). I've talked to her on the phone several times over the past half year or so and tried to plug that band and encourage her to listen to the albums I got her for Christmas, and even though she said she's given it a few listens, she still seemed completely uninterested in them when I got there.

So I'm tempted to think there is something in modern recording/mixing/engineering techniques that really turns a lot of people off (probably the sound compression), albeit subconsciously. I do agree it makes a lot of modern recordings sound sterile, but I try not to let that bother me. But to someone who is accustomed to listening to older, "warm" recordings, a more modern "sterile" sounding recording - even of something extremely similar to the older music they like - might be a turn off. That's the only reason why I can think my sisters did not like some music that, IMO, they probably otherwise "should" have liked.
You seem to think that liking or not liking music is some kind of logical, analytical thing, but it's not. It's mostly an emotional response. You can try to understand it to a certain point, but saying "You like X so you must like Y" is wrong. I like a lot of music I shouldn't, and dislike a lot I should like. And I'm sure it's the same with most other people. And I think that's cool and makes music all the more interesting.
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You seem to think that liking or not liking music is some kind of logical, analytical thing, but it's not. It's mostly an emotional response. You can try to understand it to a certain point, but saying "You like X so you must like Y" is wrong. I like a lot of music I shouldn't, and dislike a lot I should like. And I'm sure it's the same with most other people. And I think that's cool and makes music all the more interesting.
I see what you're saying, but these are my sisters, and I know what they like and dislike, which is not terribly different from what I like and dislike. I might expect maybe 1 of the 3 to differ from my perception of a band like Tame Impala, but not all 3.
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My "beef" is that, there are a lot of good bands out these days, even some that can compete with the best of (at least) the 80's and even some of the 70's. But the style of music they do just isn't that popular anymore.

I continue to be completely stunned that Lonerism, for example, is not still in the Billboard 200, while, for example, the Arctic Monkeys and Imagine Dragons - whom I consider to be very bland bands - continue to churn the charts. As I've said before, if Tame Impala had come around in 1970 they would be a huge band, probably as big as Led Zeppelin. Clearly musical tastes among the public have changed.

However, I think there's more to it than just changing musical tastes. I recently got back from a trip to visit my 3 sisters in North Carolina. All 3 of them share reasonably similar musical tastes as me, and we're all similar ages. Two of the three I got both of Tame Impala's albums for Christmas last year. When I got there last week I asked one of them if she had listened to those albums, and she said she did but they were not her cup of tea. This is someone who is an unabashed fan of Led Zeppelin, Yes, the Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd, etc. There's no reason why she shouldn't like Tame Impala. The other of the two sisters, who is also a huge Led Zeppelin fan, I played the Tame Impala song "Led Zeppelin" while we were driving somewhere. She HATED it. She also said it DID NOT sound like a Led Zeppelin song (even though it obviously does!). I've talked to her on the phone several times over the past half year or so and tried to plug that band and encourage her to listen to the albums I got her for Christmas, and even though she said she's given it a few listens, she still seemed completely uninterested in them when I got there.

So I'm tempted to think there is something in modern recording/mixing/engineering techniques that really turns a lot of people off (probably the sound compression), albeit subconsciously. I do agree it makes a lot of modern recordings sound sterile, but I try not to let that bother me. But to someone who is accustomed to listening to older, "warm" recordings, a more modern "sterile" sounding recording - even of something extremely similar to the older music they like - might be a turn off. That's the only reason why I can think my sisters did not like some music that, IMO, they probably otherwise "should" have liked.

You are trying to make logic out of artistic personal tastes: Marcel Duchamp threw a Men's urinal on a pedastel and the art-world thought it was the greateset thing since sliced bread, but Norman Rockwell - who illustrated with the precision of a camera lens - is chastised by the same critics.....On the other hand, a cover band can play "Pride and Joy" by Stevie Ray Vaughan and older folks say its a great dance song and will pack the dancefloor, but the cover band can later play another I-IV-V Shuffle exactly like Pride and Joy - like Clapton's "Before You Accuse Me" -- and those same folks will just sit in their chairs

There is no making sense when trying to determine the mechanics of why people like certain bands/songs/sound and what moves them
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Old 11-02-2014, 05:14 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I think a lot of liking new music has to do with how open you are to exploring it. For example, a month ago, I was going crazy searching for new stuff and taking recomendations. Now, I'm going through a phase where I'm just happy to listen to music I already know, maybe some stuff my parents like that I haven't heard in ages. I'm sure that in another month, I'll be digging for fresh stuff again. Maybe your sis is just not ready for something new?

I do think you have a point about the production, though. Despite music similarites, there's a huge sound difference between today and yesterday. I think that people who aren't used to the cleaner sound might be turned off at first.
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This really doesn't add anything to the debate, but… I turned on Taylor Swift after I saw a video of her doing "As Tears Go By" with the Stones. She absolutely butchered one of my favourite songs.
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