Examples of music that's ruining music...

Wpnfire · 11-02-2014, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by baochicka

well heavy metallica i would say...

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Originally Posted by baochicka

or more squeeky vocies like don't wanna sound immature but justin bieber really

Well said.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 11-02-2014, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Exo_

I'm sorry, but this came off so douchy that I couldn't even finish reading your posts.

Well, I guess if complimenting someone is a douchebag thing to do, then yeah, the shoe fits man. Urban knows his music. So maybe ask me in what context my statement toward him was, before you know, calling me a douche or saying my statement came off in that way.

Thanks for playing.

Ninetales · 11-02-2014, 02:12 AM

that's amazing

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 11-02-2014, 02:15 AM

Nine, your pokemon ava needs headphones.

grindy · 11-02-2014, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DriveYourCarDownToTheSea

My "beef" is that, there are a lot of good bands out these days, even some that can compete with the best of (at least) the 80's and even some of the 70's. But the style of music they do just isn't that popular anymore.

I continue to be completely stunned that Lonerism, for example, is not still in the Billboard 200, while, for example, the Arctic Monkeys and Imagine Dragons - whom I consider to be very bland bands - continue to churn the charts. As I've said before, if Tame Impala had come around in 1970 they would be a huge band, probably as big as Led Zeppelin. Clearly musical tastes among the public have changed.

However, I think there's more to it than just changing musical tastes. I recently got back from a trip to visit my 3 sisters in North Carolina. All 3 of them share reasonably similar musical tastes as me, and we're all similar ages. Two of the three I got both of Tame Impala's albums for Christmas last year. When I got there last week I asked one of them if she had listened to those albums, and she said she did but they were not her cup of tea. This is someone who is an unabashed fan of Led Zeppelin, Yes, the Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd, etc. There's no reason why she shouldn't like Tame Impala. The other of the two sisters, who is also a huge Led Zeppelin fan, I played the Tame Impala song "Led Zeppelin" while we were driving somewhere. She HATED it. She also said it DID NOT sound like a Led Zeppelin song (even though it obviously does!). I've talked to her on the phone several times over the past half year or so and tried to plug that band and encourage her to listen to the albums I got her for Christmas, and even though she said she's given it a few listens, she still seemed completely uninterested in them when I got there.

So I'm tempted to think there is something in modern recording/mixing/engineering techniques that really turns a lot of people off (probably the sound compression), albeit subconsciously. I do agree it makes a lot of modern recordings sound sterile, but I try not to let that bother me. But to someone who is accustomed to listening to older, "warm" recordings, a more modern "sterile" sounding recording - even of something extremely similar to the older music they like - might be a turn off. That's the only reason why I can think my sisters did not like some music that, IMO, they probably otherwise "should" have liked.

You seem to think that liking or not liking music is some kind of logical, analytical thing, but it's not. It's mostly an emotional response. You can try to understand it to a certain point, but saying "You like X so you must like Y" is wrong. I like a lot of music I shouldn't, and dislike a lot I should like. And I'm sure it's the same with most other people. And I think that's cool and makes music all the more interesting.

Pet_Sounds · 11-02-2014, 06:14 AM

I think a lot of liking new music has to do with how open you are to exploring it. For example, a month ago, I was going crazy searching for new stuff and taking recomendations. Now, I'm going through a phase where I'm just happy to listen to music I already know, maybe some stuff my parents like that I haven't heard in ages. I'm sure that in another month, I'll be digging for fresh stuff again. Maybe your sis is just not ready for something new?

I do think you have a point about the production, though. Despite music similarites, there's a huge sound difference between today and yesterday. I think that people who aren't used to the cleaner sound might be turned off at first.

**Exo** · 11-02-2014, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

Well, I guess if complimenting someone is a douchebag thing to do, then yeah, the shoe fits man. Urban knows his music. So maybe ask me in what context my statement toward him was, before you know, calling me a douche or saying my statement came off in that way.

Thanks for playing.

Your whole point of view on the subject is douchy. You're basically telling people what they can and can not enjoy. That just happened to come off the worst. Also, ending posts with "Thanks for playing" like you just won some sort of cool guy competition doesn't help your case.

Rexx Shredd · 11-02-2014, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DriveYourCarDownToTheSea

My "beef" is that, there are a lot of good bands out these days, even some that can compete with the best of (at least) the 80's and even some of the 70's. But the style of music they do just isn't that popular anymore.

I continue to be completely stunned that Lonerism, for example, is not still in the Billboard 200, while, for example, the Arctic Monkeys and Imagine Dragons - whom I consider to be very bland bands - continue to churn the charts. As I've said before, if Tame Impala had come around in 1970 they would be a huge band, probably as big as Led Zeppelin. Clearly musical tastes among the public have changed.

However, I think there's more to it than just changing musical tastes. I recently got back from a trip to visit my 3 sisters in North Carolina. All 3 of them share reasonably similar musical tastes as me, and we're all similar ages. Two of the three I got both of Tame Impala's albums for Christmas last year. When I got there last week I asked one of them if she had listened to those albums, and she said she did but they were not her cup of tea. This is someone who is an unabashed fan of Led Zeppelin, Yes, the Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd, etc. There's no reason why she shouldn't like Tame Impala. The other of the two sisters, who is also a huge Led Zeppelin fan, I played the Tame Impala song "Led Zeppelin" while we were driving somewhere. She HATED it. She also said it DID NOT sound like a Led Zeppelin song (even though it obviously does!). I've talked to her on the phone several times over the past half year or so and tried to plug that band and encourage her to listen to the albums I got her for Christmas, and even though she said she's given it a few listens, she still seemed completely uninterested in them when I got there.

So I'm tempted to think there is something in modern recording/mixing/engineering techniques that really turns a lot of people off (probably the sound compression), albeit subconsciously. I do agree it makes a lot of modern recordings sound sterile, but I try not to let that bother me. But to someone who is accustomed to listening to older, "warm" recordings, a more modern "sterile" sounding recording - even of something extremely similar to the older music they like - might be a turn off. That's the only reason why I can think my sisters did not like some music that, IMO, they probably otherwise "should" have liked.

You are trying to make logic out of artistic personal tastes: Marcel Duchamp threw a Men's urinal on a pedastel and the art-world thought it was the greateset thing since sliced bread, but Norman Rockwell - who illustrated with the precision of a camera lens - is chastised by the same critics.....On the other hand, a cover band can play "Pride and Joy" by Stevie Ray Vaughan and older folks say its a great dance song and will pack the dancefloor, but the cover band can later play another I-IV-V Shuffle exactly like Pride and Joy - like Clapton's "Before You Accuse Me" -- and those same folks will just sit in their chairs

There is no making sense when trying to determine the mechanics of why people like certain bands/songs/sound and what moves them

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 11-02-2014, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Exo_

Your whole point of view on the subject is douchy. You're basically telling people what they can and can not enjoy. That just happened to come off the worst. Also, ending posts with "Thanks for playing" like you just won some sort of cool guy competition doesn't help your case.

I really think you're taking everything I've said in here in the wrong way.

To summarize...

I'm frustrate with the state of music. I'm frustrated that people support artists like Nikki Minaj or Taylor Swift that having nothing of worth to contribute to music, other than just existing. It's a silly thing for me to feel that way toward something I can't change, but it is what it is. You really think I would actually tell people what to listen to? I know that how I have expressed myself on this subject would say that I do, or have. But it is not something I do. Somewhere in my OP to this thread, I said something like "stop supporting music like this blah blah blah" and yeah, that reads in a pretty holier than thou tone. But, this is all frustration man, that's it. But it won't change anything.

So, I could take how you're addressing me, turn it around on you and claim that you're the one acting douchy. But I won't do that. I'm better than that. All I will say is that you keep making an assumption about me, when you aren't even bothering to realize that those assumptions are wrong. I'm a nice, cool, laid back guy. And you're all up in my business, taking things I say out of context.

Like, you're the only one so far that even has a problem with what I have said, or claimed it is douchy. So if it is true. I'd think more people other than you would have pointed that out, and people here don't spare feelings so I'd go out on a limb here and say you're alone in you're opinion of me and what I have said in this thread.

**Exo** · 11-02-2014, 10:56 AM

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I'm frustrate with the state of music. I'm frustrated that people support artists like Nikki Minaj or Taylor Swift that having nothing of worth to contribute to music, other than just existing.

Who are you to say that they aren't contributing to music? YOU may not find value in their music, but what would you tell somebody who listened to a Taylor Swift song during a sh*tty time in their life and felt better because of it? Is that not contribution? You don't get to decide what is worthy and what is not worthy. That's not the kind of thing that works well in music or generally in art as a whole.

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You really think I would actually tell people what to listen to?

This is from your first post...

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People buy this ****? Come one...stop buying music just because it's fun to listen to, even when it's bad music...just stop. Buy the albums that are worth buying, support the bands or artists worth supporting. Not this trash...

Then you try to take it back...

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But it is not something I do. Somewhere in my OP to this thread, I said something like "stop supporting music like this blah blah blah" and yeah, that reads in a pretty holier than thou tone.

That's fine. I'm all for saying stuff in the heat of the moment and all. You haven't really given us a counter point to your frustration posts though. You just kind of said...oh, I didn't mean that though. Really? This is a message board. I'm going to respond to what you write on a message board because it's the only form of communication that occurs here. You write something, I take that as your opinion and give you mine. The whole "well, I didn't mean it that way so you're wrong about me" is complete bullsh*t. Back what you say or explain to me why you were wrong in what you were saying. Otherwise how the hell am I supposed to know what you're talking about?

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So, I could take how you're addressing me, turn it around on you and claim that you're the one acting douchy. But I won't do that. I'm better than that.

How am I acting douchy? The way you wrote that comment to Urban came off that way. You're whole argument, whether you "meant it" or not came off snarky, elitist, and misinformed. That's douchy to me. Do I think your a douche? I don't know you man. I couldn't make claims to your character after reading a couple posts, but the ones I read came off douchy. You're a laid back guy? Great. That's nice. You're the one who started this though, so don't get upset that somebody doesn't agree with you. Which brings me to...

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Like, you're the only one so far that even has a problem with what I have said, or claimed it is douchy. So if it is true. I'd think more people other than you would have pointed that out, and people here don't spare feelings so I'd go out on a limb here and say you're alone in you're opinion of me and what I have said in this thread.

You're right. I am the only one who said it was douchy. I am not however the only one who had a problem with what you said. In fact, I'm having a hard time finding single post in agreement with you on this subject. William_the_Bloody sort of agreed with you, but if you want to call that agreement then you'll have one supporter. In fact, you had some people in this thread calling you a troll. What are you talking about?

If you want to participate on this message board, you're going to have to learn how to deal with people who don't agree with you. I don't agree with you. I find your original post, regardless of what you meant, to be a little pompous. Nobody is saying that you can't share your opinion, but try not to whine about it after somebody calls you out on it. For what it's worth, sorry for calling what you said douchy.

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Pet_Sounds Remember the underscore Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The other side Posts: 2,488	I think a lot of liking new music has to do with how open you are to exploring it. For example, a month ago, I was going crazy searching for new stuff and taking recomendations. Now, I'm going through a phase where I'm just happy to listen to music I already know, maybe some stuff my parents like that I haven't heard in ages. I'm sure that in another month, I'll be digging for fresh stuff again. Maybe your sis is just not ready for something new? I do think you have a point about the production, though. Despite music similarites, there's a huge sound difference between today and yesterday. I think that people who aren't used to the cleaner sound might be turned off at first. __________________ Everybody's dying just to get the disease

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Ninetales Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: livin wild Posts: 2,179	that's amazing

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CoNtrivedNiHilism Because I Am, I Can! Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 1,128	Nine, your pokemon ava needs headphones.