Originally Posted by EPOCH6

I probably shouldn't be bumping this thread or stirring the pot any further than it has been already but I think the easiest way for you to find peace of mind here is by simply focusing more on music that truly matters to you, sharing it with people that are enthusiastic about exploring music (example: here), and just forgetting about pop music altogether. I understand it frustrates you that these artists are showered in awards and praise in the media and you don't think genuinely creative musicians are getting the compensation they deserve, but it really is just business, and it really has been this way since the birth of mainstream music.

Mainstream music has always come down to designing a product that appeals to the largest number of consumers, the reason we don't see any Led Zeppelins or Pink Floyds anymore is because the masses don't eat that up anymore, we're not in a social revolution anymore, we're not putting flowers in rifle barrels like we used to. Mainstream music will always reflect the attitudes of the largest consumer audience. The reason we're seeing a saturation of artists writing about extremely trivial subject matter is because we're living in a very peaceful time (at least here in the Western world). We can be confident that next time we find ourselves in a time of great turmoil or some sort of massive social revolution or whatever the mainstream media will play to that, once again we'll see a wave of political pop music.

If musicians and artists want mass recognition they'll gear their music towards the masses, they'll stir the mob, that's what sells albums, that's what the major record companies tell their clients to do, that's what the band manager pushes for. It worked for the great rock bands of the 60s and 70s because that was the time they lived in, that's what happened to get people going at the time, it's not that time anymore.

But it's okay, because everything outside of mainstream music doesn't really give a **** about mainstream music, they'll just go ahead and continue being creative musicians writing fantastic albums, regardless of Nicki Minaj writing trivial songs about the statistical improbability of her booty genes. There is still a colossal amount of incredible music being released every year, there are still massive festivals all over the place that do give small time acts a giant stage to perform on, even Rolling Stone is still offering positive headlines to new experimental artists (example: Pharmakon's new album). The music community is very alive and well, regardless of who's getting awards on TV. It's ok, Taylor Swift and Nicki Minaj aren't ruining anything, they're completely irrelevant to the evolution of music as a whole.

Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

...along with the labels that are no longer about signing the bands, acts, singers, or whatever that have the talent and something to say. This is music that I firmly believe is really slitting the figurative throat of good music, while the aforementioned good music is pushed aside in a bloody mess...metaphorically.

You've got stuff like...



And...



Nicki was in a movie a watched with my fiance called The Other Woman. And yeah, just like her music, she really bombed in the movie and annoyed the hell out of me with how she talked, just like with her music that annoys the hell out of me. People buy this ****? Come one...stop buying music just because it's fun to listen to, even when it's bad music...just stop. Buy the albums that are worth buying, support the bands or artists worth supporting. Not this trash...

Moving along...



Lorde won an award for best rock video. Really? Give me a break...a pop star winning the award for best rock video. Fire everyone behind that awards show, get people in there that know their music and this won't happen anymore.

The statement I'm making with this thread, is simply that I have an issue with this kind of music, how so many call these people talented when their music is just laughable. They win grammy's, have platinum records. It's a problem everyone. I have an issue with the people that buy records from artists like this, that allow them to stay around and continue making this...this garbage, and they're praised for it! This past week, I was at my mall and overheard some woman, mid twenties...say, around 26, and she was praising Kesha and how talented she is. I nearly lost my mind hearing that? She's part of what's wrong with the music these days! The good music seems to not even matter anymore, the genuine artists or bands with talent, and something to say don't seem to matter anymore, pretty much to hardly anyone! It aggravates the hell out of me.

I guess the record labels have to make money somehow. And to just cut ties with the acts they know will get them that money because they can manipulate them to making the music that's popular, top 40, so on and so forth, would be like cutting the jugular. I just feel like talent isn't important at all to labels anymore, or to people in general. It's all about that money for the labels, and to ordinary people, they just want music with a phat beat and no point to it. Shoot me in the head and put an end to my misery...

Who else feels this way?

Originally Posted by EPOCH6

I probably shouldn't be bumping this thread or stirring the pot any further than it has been already but I think the easiest way for you to find peace of mind here is by simply focusing more on music that truly matters to you, sharing it with people that are enthusiastic about exploring music (example: here), and just forgetting about pop music altogether. I understand it frustrates you that these artists are showered in awards and praise in the media and you don't think genuinely creative musicians are getting the compensation they deserve, but it really is just business, and it really has been this way since the birth of mainstream music.

Mainstream music has always come down to designing a product that appeals to the largest number of consumers, the reason we don't see any Led Zeppelins or Pink Floyds anymore is because the masses don't eat that up anymore, we're not in a social revolution anymore, we're not putting flowers in rifle barrels like we used to. Mainstream music will always reflect the attitudes of the largest consumer audience. The reason we're seeing a saturation of artists writing about extremely trivial subject matter is because we're living in a very peaceful time (at least here in the Western world). We can be confident that next time we find ourselves in a time of great turmoil or some sort of massive social revolution or whatever the mainstream media will play to that, once again we'll see a wave of political pop music.

If musicians and artists want mass recognition they'll gear their music towards the masses, they'll stir the mob, that's what sells albums, that's what the major record companies tell their clients to do, that's what the band manager pushes for. It worked for the great rock bands of the 60s and 70s because that was the time they lived in, that's what happened to get people going at the time, it's not that time anymore.

But it's okay, because everything outside of mainstream music doesn't really give a **** about mainstream music, they'll just go ahead and continue being creative musicians writing fantastic albums, regardless of Nicki Minaj writing trivial songs about the statistical improbability of her booty genes. There is still a colossal amount of incredible music being released every year, there are still massive festivals all over the place that do give small time acts a giant stage to perform on, even Rolling Stone is still offering positive headlines to new experimental artists (example: Pharmakon's new album). The music community is very alive and well, regardless of who's getting awards on TV. It's ok, Taylor Swift and Nicki Minaj aren't ruining anything, they're completely irrelevant to the evolution of music as a whole.

Originally Posted by ronenklo

Anyone can listen to whatever they want. If someone likes justin beiber he is probably an idiot.

Originally Posted by ronenklo

Anyone can listen to whatever they want. If someone likes justin beiber he is probably an idiot but it doesn't effect me listening to Led Zeppelin.