What is music, what is not?

Rexx Shredd · 12-29-2014, 08:23 PM

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What if you unintentionally make something beautiful?

You had Taco Bell earlier, didnt you?

Josef K · 12-30-2014, 04:22 PM

This is actually pretty cool. Someone ran his own recording of 4'33" through Autotune. You'll have to excuse that font though.

Zyrada · 12-30-2014, 07:08 PM

My personal definition of music: Sound created and/or perceived as having purpose and some degree of non-utilitarian intent ("non-utilitarian intent" meaning: not created and/or perceived as subservient to another object, function, or activity) within the context of an artistic dialogue (whether or not the music is consciously created and/or perceived as part of any dialogue is irrelevant, since no art exists in a vacuum).

... sometimes I think I should have gone to law school instead of music school.

RL Clown · 12-30-2014, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Zyrada

My personal definition of music: Sound created and/or perceived as having purpose and some degree of non-utilitarian intent ("non-utilitarian intent" meaning: not created and/or perceived as subservient to another object, function, or activity) within the context of an artistic dialogue (whether or not the music is consciously created and/or perceived as part of any dialogue is irrelevant, since no art exists in a vacuum).

... sometimes I think I should have gone to law school instead of music school.

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AMenard · 12-30-2014, 07:23 PM

Music is life...

Chula Vista · 12-30-2014, 08:11 PM

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I approve that message! That was excellent.

Completely agree.

Rexx Shredd · 12-30-2014, 08:19 PM

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Not that I want to add to this profound rhetorical ambiguous discussion but I think the difference between what is music and what is not should be intent:

Shouldn't "music" be classified as man-made to differentiate itself? This means that a even if a person goes around with his digital audio-sampler of choice and samples found sounds, then throws them together and - although it may sound like cocaophony - it was purposefully put together, therefore music........conversely, I could walk through the woods and hear the coincidental sounds of several unrelated things that may form a "musical" melody based on the Western twelve-step form of music and - although "musical" to my ears because I am used to the Western paradigm of what constitutes it - it is still a natural anomaly with no purposeful intent and, therefore, not music

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Originally Posted by Zyrada

My personal definition of music: Sound created and/or perceived as having purpose and some degree of non-utilitarian intent ("non-utilitarian intent" meaning: not created and/or perceived as subservient to another object, function, or activity) within the context of an artistic dialogue (whether or not the music is consciously created and/or perceived as part of any dialogue is irrelevant, since no art exists in a vacuum).

Which is a much more elaborate version of what I said above, isn't it?

grindy · 12-31-2014, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Zyrada

My personal definition of music: Sound created and/or perceived as having purpose and some degree of non-utilitarian intent ("non-utilitarian intent" meaning: not created and/or perceived as subservient to another object, function, or activity) within the context of an artistic dialogue (whether or not the music is consciously created and/or perceived as part of any dialogue is irrelevant, since no art exists in a vacuum).

... sometimes I think I should have gone to law school instead of music school.

So muzak isn't music?

Zyrada · 12-31-2014, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy

So muzak isn't music?

I was waiting for someone to ask this question.

There was a reason I said "some degree" of non-utilitarian intent; it leaves the line of what qualifies as more ambiguous than simply saying that non-utilitarian intent is a binary yes-or-no matter. For instance, by my definition of music, I'd say that soundtracks qualify because while they exist mainly to serve films, TV shows, and so forth, they can still have their own individual artistic merit (hence "some degree of non-utilitarian intent"). This depends on your stance on writing soundtracks though, since some people believe that soundtracks shouldn't be able to stand by themselves, as doing so defeats their purpose.

Necromancer · 12-31-2014, 11:50 AM

What does muzak have to do with movie and TV soundtracks?

Why don't you speak in normal terms and stop trying to impress everyone here with all your literate pop psychology.

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Zyrada Avant-Gardener Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Inside your navel gazing back at you Posts: 163	My personal definition of music: Sound created and/or perceived as having purpose and some degree of non-utilitarian intent ("non-utilitarian intent" meaning: not created and/or perceived as subservient to another object, function, or activity) within the context of an artistic dialogue (whether or not the music is consciously created and/or perceived as part of any dialogue is irrelevant, since no art exists in a vacuum). ... sometimes I think I should have gone to law school instead of music school.

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Necromancer Divination Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,655	What does muzak have to do with movie and TV soundtracks? Why don't you speak in normal terms and stop trying to impress everyone here with all your literate pop psychology.