What is music, what is not?

**Frownland** · 12-29-2014, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MasterBaggins

Music is a sonic medium that sends a message. I wouldn't consider a speech music, or a poem music, but if it's noise that is created to be intended to be music, then it's music. If you drop a pan and ended up recording it, and then decide to sell it as music, it's not music. If you're dropping pans with the purpose of getting a message across, then it's music.

How can you tell the difference behind the intent? And if you've decided to sell it as music, isn't that a message in and of itself?

I must say though, that having a super liberal definition of music could easily lead me to tell the emperor how great his new clothes are.

Chula Vista · 12-29-2014, 11:29 AM

*4'33 is not music*

This, on the other hand...

**Frownland** · 12-29-2014, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

*4'33 is not music*

I had no idea you felt that way.

Machine · 12-29-2014, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

*4'33 is not music*

Why even bring this up we weren't even talking about 4'33", we get it you don't think it's music, it just seems antagonistic of you.

Chula Vista · 12-29-2014, 11:44 AM

I'm antagonistic? You're avatar is a dog trying to eat/attack his own tail.

F*ck off!

Machine · 12-29-2014, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

I'm antagonistic? You're avatar is a dog trying to eat/attack his own tail.

F*ck off!

Fair enough, can we just not bring 4'33" right now, if that's possible.

AMenard · 12-29-2014, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy

Thanks for elaborating. And you really don't have to stress that it's just a personal opinion, there's nothing wrong with it, although sadly there are lots of snobs out there who would say there is.

I wouldn't blindly buy it, but I wouldn't dismiss it because of it's concept and give it a try. I think I actually do have several albums along the lines of trashcan-banging and top-of-the-lung-screaming, although to my knowledge no felines were involved.

You bought the latest Yoko Ono album

grindy · 12-29-2014, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AMenard

You bought the latest Yoko Ono album

Screw Yoko, I prefer some quality screaming.

MasterBaggins · 12-29-2014, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

How can you tell the difference behind the intent? And if you've decided to sell it as music, isn't that a message in and of itself?

I must say though, that having a super liberal definition of music could easily lead me to tell the emperor how great his new clothes are.

I tell the intent by listening enough. After a while, I make a decision on whether or not it is music by closing my eyes and flailing wildly on the keyboard. If my actions cause something terrible to happen to my computer, it isn't music.

**Frownland** · 12-29-2014, 07:48 PM

What if you unintentionally make something beautiful?

12-29-2014, 11:29 AM	#512 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	4'33 is not music This, on the other hand... __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

12-29-2014, 11:44 AM	#515 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	I'm antagonistic? You're avatar is a dog trying to eat/attack his own tail. F*ck off! __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

12-29-2014, 07:48 PM	#520 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	What if you unintentionally make something beautiful? __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x