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12-26-2014, 10:43 AM | #481 (permalink) | |||
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12-26-2014, 10:54 AM | #482 (permalink) | |
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Dude, I'm 54 years old and not as pliable as most around here. My mind is made up. 4'33 is performance art. It is definitely not music. If you think otherwise, cool! (P.S. The sound of waves breaking on the beach is most surely a form of nature's music though.)
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12-26-2014, 11:30 AM | #484 (permalink) |
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Not that I want to add to this profound rhetorical ambiguous discussion but I think the difference between what is music and what is not should be intent:
Shouldn't "music" be classified as man-made to differentiate itself? This means that a even if a person goes around with his digital audio-sampler of choice and samples found sounds, then throws them together and - although it may sound like cocaophony - it was purposefully put together, therefore music........conversely, I could walk through the woods and hear the coincidental sounds of several unrelated things that may form a "musical" melody based on the Western twelve-step form of music and - although "musical" to my ears because I am used to the Western paradigm of what constitutes it - it is still a natural anomaly with no purposeful intent and, therefore, not music
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12-26-2014, 12:09 PM | #485 (permalink) | |
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But to sit there in complete silence and completely rely on the audience and the surrounding ambient noise to provide "the music"; that's where 4'33 turns into performance art.
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12-26-2014, 12:18 PM | #486 (permalink) | |
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(Oh and can I have a bit if input here, 4'33" is not something that I'm going to be listening to a lot like other silent compositions, I don't have to like it at all, but the thing is I accept and appriciciate it for the musical qualities it has. The same thing with art my friend really hates contemporary art because he says it looks like nothing, my response is always well it might not look like great artists of the past, but that's okay, and I don't have to like that kind of art to be able to appriciciate it and see it as what it is, art.) |
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12-26-2014, 12:26 PM | #487 (permalink) | |
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OK, with that in mind, if I take a musical staff, and write in two 8th rests, four sixteenth rests, two 8th rests, and four more sixteenth rests, I have just wrote a bar of music, didn't I? If I repeat that over and over, its still sheet music....The silence is forced (thats the music part)....trying to force the natural ambience in 4'33 into the void is still purposeful, and therefore music.......... I guess it would be like carrying an empty picture frame around and holding it up anywhere: The artist can make an argument that he's purposely framing something behind him and calling it "art" ....when he takes it away, you can still see whatever it was now without the frame around it, because there is no intent now, its just background (Id be really surprised if an artist hasn't done this) Gawd, I really do dislike these kind of artsy-fartsy idioms.........Thank you again, Marcel Duchamp <sarcasm intended>
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12-26-2014, 12:37 PM | #488 (permalink) |
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