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12-26-2014, 12:59 AM | #421 (permalink) | |
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There is a concept of 'silence' but in reality there is no such thing as 'silence' in the physical universe just like there are no straight lines or corners in the physical universe.
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"it counts in our hearts" ?ºº? “I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion.” Jack Kerouac. “If one listens to the wrong kind of music, he will become the wrong kind of person.” Aristotle. "If you tried to give Rock and Roll another name, you might call it 'Chuck Berry'." John Lennon "I look for ambiguity when I'm writing because life is ambiguous." Keith Richards |
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12-26-2014, 01:12 AM | #422 (permalink) | ||
Mord
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Other than bird song, that's not music, no matter how beautiful it is. It can be incorporated into a larger body of music, but it doesn't stand as music on its own. |
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12-26-2014, 01:42 AM | #423 (permalink) |
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I still don't understand why, man. If it's an astounding body of auditory beauty on it's own, why is not music? Why is birdsong the one exception? Because it has song in the title? I mean, appreciating it, appreciating it as a musical medium, and liking it...are they they same thing?
Windsong, telephonewiresong, speechsong, ambientnoisesong...are those music? Imagine if the tables were turned. You were the artist, not the listener. Someone says "fuck no man, it's not even music!" Would that discredit your stance as music even though incredibly intelligent, sexy, and inspiring people such as myself are like "well I mean I guess it's music, but it sucks Beelzebob's anus, for quite a long time." Obviously a ridiculous example (even if it reminds me of 4'33" ), but could still be theoretically applicable. But seriously, why should a listener be the one who decides whether something is music or not when they put no work into the piece? Sure, it might suck, but fuck, it's still some shite music to begin with. I don't go around saying a Kenny G solo saxophone album isn't music because nothing is happening, it doesn't interest me in the slightest, and makes absolute (and nonexistant) silence preferable (for a man who thrives on music), I'm still going to say that it's music.
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12-26-2014, 01:47 AM | #424 (permalink) | ||||
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...of course, it was a metaphor. The sea isn't really music; I was drawing my attention to the beauty of the sea by comparing it to something it is not. |
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12-26-2014, 01:55 AM | #425 (permalink) | |
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Never said you said it sucked, just say it sucks if you don't like it. Or at very least say it's an approach to music you're not sure about. Because it IS music.
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#nottalkingdownonyoubuttotallytalkingdownonyou But really though, what is your answer to the OP? IDK if I missed it or not.
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12-26-2014, 01:57 AM | #427 (permalink) | |
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12-26-2014, 02:01 AM | #428 (permalink) |
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Or, more concisely (not in the Larehipian sense): what is music? Is there anything that isn't music?
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12-26-2014, 02:02 AM | #429 (permalink) |
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Cheers!
Music is not all forms of audio. Forms of audio (found sounds etc) can be incorporated into music, but they do not stand as music on their own. The line is drawn when someone tries to push something off as music when it is not, like someone just recording the sound of the sea and not adding any music to it. What's the Larehipian sense? |