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12-13-2014, 11:10 PM | #362 (permalink) |
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There's no such thing as silence. I do often find myself enjoying ambient noise though.
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12-13-2014, 11:12 PM | #364 (permalink) |
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Read the edit.
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12-14-2014, 08:22 AM | #366 (permalink) | |
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No sound whatsoever. Case closed.
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12-14-2014, 08:51 AM | #368 (permalink) | ||
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I've always gone with the idea that if any sounds are pointed at and called music, they are music. 4'33'' is kind of exactly that. It's pointing at the sounds around it and saying "that is music" and I don't see why I would disagree.
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And if you played any music in space through an mp3 player and speakers, there would be no sound. And I'm pretty sure the speakers' diaphragms wouldn't work right anyway... but that's not the point. Your argument seems to be that the music is dictated by the instructions given, which can exist without the need for sound, but oftentimes music isn't appreciated for technical merit, rather temperament or texture, which could not exist as concepts without sound. Yes music can exist without any apparent thought towards the actual sound and still be exceptional (Conlon Nancarrow), but the opposite can be true as well (Merzbow I think. I don't listen much. Not since I missed a fire alarm because I thought it was part of the song...). And to say that, simply because 4'33'' is reliant totally on sound to profess its philosophy, rather than expressing itself through current post-Pythagorean equivalencies, dismisses a lot of what sets music apart from other media. I'd never heard of the anechoic chamber though. That thing's cool. Quote:
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12-14-2014, 09:04 AM | #370 (permalink) |
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I guess that's cause it's the debate in and of itself. What it is is a profession on what it believes to be music, so it's just the perfect analogue for either side of the discussion. *shrug*
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