What's your view?

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 10-11-2014, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds

I also think that some musicians are meant to be solo artists and others are meant to be in a group. Take Bob Dylan. I doubt very much whether his music would be as good if he wasn't in complete control of it. On the other hand, the two halves of the Lennon-McCartney partnership didn't produce as well solo as when they were working together in a group.

Yet, some would argue that Lennon produced better music separate from McCartney.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 10-11-2014, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

Eh, I don't know about that. Criticism will be given irregardless of having something to say, or having nothing to say, whether you've any musical aptitude, or none at all.

There, you've answered your own question.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 10-11-2014, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

There, you've answered your own question.

I think actually, to narrow this down to people will be people would answer the question on its own, too. But there's also the issue of a lot of these people that unfairly judge the aptitude of a musician based on whatever band they're associated with, not knowing what a good musician is from horrible one. So they're talking out of their own ass.

Pet_Sounds · 10-11-2014, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

Yet, some would argue that Lennon produced better music separate from McCartney.

I really don't enjoy either's solo work except for a few songs, but that might be due to the fact that Lennon had other creative influences in the Plastic Ono Band, and McCartney had practically none.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 10-11-2014, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds

I really don't enjoy either's solo work except for a few songs, but that might be due to the fact that Lennon had other creative influences in the Plastic Ono Band, and McCartney had practically none.

Truthfully, I've only ever listened to a few songs from either of their solo material. What I had heard however, I felt Lennon was the better of the two.

Isbjørn · 10-11-2014, 09:23 AM

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hahaha, I think it's just the way his voice is when he sings, makes him sound that way. Don't care about the band he's in, but I also don't think he's the worst singer I've listened to either. I think the band as a whole unit is more capable than the music they make, but they make what they know sells records, they're largely still pretty successful this far in to their career. Whatever thought.

He's not a terrible singer or anything. Singers in emo bands tend to have close to zero vocal talent, but at least they make me feel other things than whatever feeling you get from wasting your time listening to half-assed radio rock.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 10-11-2014, 09:27 AM

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He's not a terrible singer or anything. Singers in emo bands tend to have close to zero vocal talent, but at least they make me feel other things than whatever feeling you get from wasting your time listening to dumb radio rock.

I was never partial to emo, pretty much at all. I bought an Armor For Sleep record because I thought the cover was cool, I knew they were this emo band but decided to give one of them a fair shot. I listened to the entire record, did nothing for me but honestly, the band just had nothing to offer.

I can't write off emo though. The genre did contribute things I feel were important to music overall. And yes, the music did have a knack for making even me feel certain things that were comparable to whatever I was feeling or going through at the time. Overall however, I never did get in to the genre, instead I dabbled.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 10-11-2014, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

I think actually, to narrow this down to people will be people would answer the question on its own, too. But there's also the issue of a lot of these people that unfairly judge the aptitude of a musician based on whatever band they're associated with, not knowing what a good musician is from horrible one. So they're talking out of their own ass.

Define your parameters for what a 'good musician' actually is.

For me a good musician is someone who plays songs in a way that they show a balance of the ingredients of what's needed to make the song work as well as being open to many different styles of music and a good understanding of popular culture and the zeitgeist of what's around them during that particular time.

I mean if someone thinks that sort of musician that treats music like video game achievements and thinks that playing power metal solos at 3 times the speed makes them a good musician then they're free to think that too, just don't expect anyone older than someone who's gone through puberty to take you seriously.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 10-11-2014, 09:50 AM

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Define your parameters for what a 'good musician' actually is.

For me a good musician is someone who plays songs in a way that they show a balance of the ingredients of what's needed to make the song work as well as being open to many different styles of music and a good understanding of popular culture and the zeitgeist of what's around them during that particular time.

I mean if someone thinks that sort of musician that treats music like video game achievements and thinks that playing power metal solos at 3 times the speed makes them a good musician then they're free to think that too, just don't expect anyone older than someone who's gone through puberty to take you seriously.

Truthfully? And I'm not just saying this either. You think pretty closely to how I do with what a good musician is to me, I'm serious too. Which is sort of surprising to me because you'd think a band like Bush wouldn't appeal to me, and instead we would be agreeing about the kind of band they are.

So, yeah. Pretty much what you said is what a good musician is to me, too. I could elaborate if you'd like.

DwnWthVwls · 10-11-2014, 10:30 AM

I think a good musician is anyone you enjoy listening to. Unless you pick a certain set of parameters for comparison(which I have never seen those dumb lists do) it is very hard to rank or compare musicians.