Soulflower

Hey Music banter I am feenin for some music knowledge. As you guys know Rock is not really my forte so I wanted to get some info. I commonly hear Nirvana is the blame for the decline in Hair Metal in the late 80's and I wanted to know your opinion on it. I always thought Hair Metal was a fad that had already declined by the time Nirvana really became popular which was in the early 90's. Did Nirvana's popularity influence generic rock bands like Nickleback, All American Rejects, Panic at the Disco, Foo Fighters or Creed?

How would you define grunge music and was it something that really impacted rock music for the better?

I have always been confused with why Nirvana are so highly regarded (not that they don't necessarily deserve it but just want more clarification as to why)

I notice a lot of the rock bands have really faded out commercially.

Zombeels

I.ve always felt Nirvana was overrated but if they did kill hair metal then they deserve all the praise they get. I think Pearl Jam had more to do with influences on the crappy generic bands like Creed, Nickleback...etc. The mainstream market for the most part ignores rock acts as they can make more sales using one of their near pornographic pop stars with their generic dance music featuring some randon hip hop act guest appearance.

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Soulflower

I just think it is very interesting because there was a time rock bands like Green Day, The White Stripes, AFI, My Chemical Romance, Alien Ant Farm, All American Rejects, etc ( I can not believe I can name all these bands from the top of my head lol) ruled the commercial scene for a bit at least until the mid 00's.

Why is Nirvana overrated to you? If Kurt Cobain had not passed away so young, do you think they would still be considered icons?

Zombeels

Nirvana was big before Cobain died and there sound was refreshing and different than what was big the previous 6 years. Hair metal was already going stale. Nirvana came along at the right time.
I think Nirvana was overrated on a personal note. There were to many horrible songs in their catalog and most people jumped on the bandwagon. AMG originally gave Bleach one star but after Nirvana got big Bleach was all of a sudden a five star album.

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Soulflower

Interesting.

I really like them though!

But you are probably right, they did not deserve to get inducted before Chic in the RHOF.

Key

I have never heard anybody claim that Nirvana killed hair metal. What I do know is that Nirvana was one of the couple bands that were one of the big dogs when it came to the rise of grunge music, specifically in the Seattle music scene during the 90's, which they definitely deserved. Are the overrated? To me personally, I wouldn't say so. The reason I think they're so highly regarded is the same reason why people see the Big 4 of thrash as being highly regarded. They, along with Alice in Chains and the like were just "those guys" that really knew what grunge was and is about.

Soulflower

It is a pretty well established music cliche which is why I really wanted more info about it since this is a rock oriented forum.

How would you define grunge music? Can you post some examples? When I looked some info on the genre I notice there are apparently sub genres within grunge itself.

I always thought KISS and hair metal was corny not sure why some rock fans are mad that it died off. It is actually good that it did...

Key

I find that listening to the "pioneers" of the genre would be a better way to understand the genre. Alice In Chains, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, and Mudhoney would be a great start. Though I wouldn't say Mudhoney was much of a pioneer, though i've been proven wrong before.

Soulflower

Thanks I will definitely check these guys out.

Psy-Fi

Good indeed!

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