Why do people blame Nirvana for killing Hair Metal?

Isbjørn · 10-04-2014, 04:37 PM

Unpopular opinion: "Bullet With Butterfly Wings" is a good song.

**Janszoon** · 10-04-2014, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Just listen to these two songs back to back and tell me nobody ripped anybody off. I suppose Corgan is a good enough songwriter that it isn't Bush obvious, but it's close enough.

Oh somebody ripped somebody off, right here:

Wait for it, at 0:42:

Mondo Bungle · 10-04-2014, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Briks

Unpopular opinion: "Bullet With Butterfly Wings" is a good song.

I like it a fair bit, "Drown" and "Starla" are the best Pumpkins songs for sure though. Bullet isn't even close.

The Batlord · 10-04-2014, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Oh somebody ripped somebody off, right here:

Wait for it, at 0:42:

lol

Ah well, Nirvana did a better job with that riff than Boston did anyway. Not that I don't like Boston.

neardeathexperience · 10-04-2014, 07:15 PM

The grunge thing just came along and collectively push the hair bands to the left. I would say that grunge was more of a fad then hair bands because some like Motley Crue just evolved into more of a kick ass hard rock band in my opinion. Kiss survived as did the Scorpions and numerous other bands were as quite a few of the grunge band faded into the sunset................

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 10-05-2014, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Briks

Unpopular opinion: "Bullet With Butterfly Wings" is a good song.

I like it too! I'm not ashamed of it either.

TheBig3 · 10-05-2014, 05:15 PM

I think the Batlord is on drugs, I don't find a similarity other than they're both grunge and aggressive.

Vitne Eveille · 10-05-2014, 05:32 PM

I'm admittedly not much of a Nirvana fan, but like any genre, when it gets too bloated, or rather, in the past when record companies over-pushed and over-exposed a type of music, people tended to gravitate away from it. I think that's why people gravitated towards grunge at that point, and then labels started pushing grunge into popularity.

And then it went out of popularity

Stuff is a bit different now with the internet, as music isn't dictated by MTV and radio anymore. There has been a rise in popularity again of hair bands due to the internet and underground scene, for example.

~~Soulflower~~ · 10-05-2014, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Vitne Eveille

I'm admittedly not much of a Nirvana fan, but like any genre, when it gets too bloated, or rather, in the past when record companies over-pushed and over-exposed a type of music, people tended to gravitate away from it. I think that's why people gravitated towards grunge at that point, and then labels started pushing grunge into popularity.

And then it went out of popularity

Stuff is a bit different now with the internet, as music isn't dictated by MTV and radio anymore. There has been a rise in popularity again of hair bands due to the internet and underground scene, for example.

I see this happening and agree. I also think since Rock is not as mainstream it forces people who might be interested in it to look and dig for older acts or newer ones.

Musicwhore A-Z · 10-05-2014, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I totally disagree that hair metal gets more respect than disco. Hair metal is, justifiably, much more of a subject of mockery than disco. Despite the initial backlash shortly after the disco era, disco has gone on to be regarded as great, classic party music that, in it's own subtle way, actually stood for things like racial, gender and sexual orientation equality. Hair metal is remembered for its cheesiness and ridiculousness. The very fact that we're both sitting here calling it "hair metal" is a good example of how it's perceived. Nobody called it "hair metal" back when it was popular, that's a derisive name for it that was coined after it had gone out of style, by people mocking it for its shallowness. The fact that it's the common name for it now just goes to show how people feel about it.

Well stated 'Janszoon'. I completely agree that we NEVER referred to 80's hard rock as "hair metal" when we were kids. That label was placed on the music AFTER it's heyday for nostalgic reasons I imagine, fairly or unfairly. And compilations as well courtesy of the record labels re-selling the music simply to exploit it as a joke, hence the PEJORATIVE term "hair metal". Great comment (

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neardeathexperience Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 531	The grunge thing just came along and collectively push the hair bands to the left. I would say that grunge was more of a fad then hair bands because some like Motley Crue just evolved into more of a kick ass hard rock band in my opinion. Kiss survived as did the Scorpions and numerous other bands were as quite a few of the grunge band faded into the sunset................