Older Stuff vs Newer Stuff (metal, old music, pop, rap)

07-06-2005, 09:51 AM

Is it just me, or is most bands older stuff better than their newer stuff?

Krosstika · 07-06-2005, 11:17 AM

Nope it's not just you! i also think the same...personaly i'v always thought it something to do with getting old!...seriously tho,hardly any music bands/artists are gonna be reknown,for there great tunes etc 50 years from now,than what there was through the 60's,70's and 80's.Today it seems anyone will do anything to get famous,and sing a crappy song to get rich and then get on tv! so yeah the old music will always be true music,until things 'maybe' change!???

07-06-2005, 11:24 AM

yeh... i dont know... just things like red hot chilis, their new stuff is still good but their old stufff was WAY better........

Krosstika · 07-06-2005, 11:58 AM

Aye...the Red Hot Chilli Peppers were excellent way back then,and produced some great well known tunes!!! but im not to keen on there newer stuff today tho...and tragic as it may be...im the same with many other artists!?

07-06-2005, 12:00 PM

yep, totally agree...

holdyoualways · 07-06-2005, 12:10 PM

mmm i guess it kind of depends on the artist. there are certain bands that i think have better new albums than old ones like the used, taking back sunday and sum 41. but there are other artists that i like their older stuff much better like green day and incubus.

shandapanda · 07-06-2005, 04:42 PM

it's probably cuz they work so hard on the first albums to make themselves known and they feel they have something to prove and afterwards when that has been established they don't always try as hard or something of that nature....but it does depend on the band..

Krosstika · 07-06-2005, 07:04 PM

There was a time when musicians created and expressed themselves in their music and it became popular on its own merit. Today it seems to me that the music industry and media ram the new stuff down the throats of the youth of the world and convince them that to be popular thay MUST like it.The American & UK pop Idol series is proof of that. No more does a band or artist have to work their way from obscurity to fame. They just need a hook be it exposing the majority of their flesh,exploiting the harshness of inner city impoverished life or appealing to those that feel they do not fit into the mainstream of society.Just SOME of the new music I find quite good, variety is a wonderous thing, but crap is crap,and theres more of it about today...

I tend toward classic rock and the likes of black metal. I enjoy Classical from Mozart and Bach etc.I dont care for the hip hop stuff and the whole Britney and her clone things. I fackin hate rap. Rap is not music! so you could say i hate most modern sh!t!?
I guess you could say that I believe music was better years ago. Look at the longevity of artist's like ,Maiden, The Stones, Aerosmith, The Eagles, Styx, their stuff is timeless,and the era of Hendrix, The Doors, Led Zepplin...will live forever!!! How many of todays music stars will prove to be marketable in 20 years? Only time will tell.
Most producers have ran out of ideas.
Rock is just re runs of old sounds, hip hop is progressing into a sad pop scene and the pop scene itself is a joke to music....

hookers with machineguns · 07-07-2005, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Krosstika

There was a time when musicians created and expressed themselves in their music and it became popular on its own merit.
I dont care for the hip hop stuff and the whole Britney and her clone things. I fackin hate rap. Rap is not music! so you could say i hate most modern sh!t!?
I guess you could say that I believe music was better years ago.
How many of todays music stars will prove to be marketable in 20 years? Only time will tell.
Most producers have ran out of ideas.
Rock is just re runs of old sounds, hip hop is progressing into a sad pop scene and the pop scene itself is a joke to music....

A particular band does not need to stand the 'test of time' in terms of their magnitude of popularity to be considered 'good' musicians. Marketability is rather irrelevant, at least if we are appreciating music here (not doing an economic profit analysis).

Judging an entire sector of music based on heavy rotation radio songs is foolish. Most commerical rap seems uninspired, but to draw the trigger so quickly on it without listening to more apt artists is not something an advocate for originality and music appreciation would do. It's easy to disdain the current music movement, but it's even easier to not fully grasp the movement by only considering popular acts.

Krosstika · 07-09-2005, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by hookers with machineguns

A particular band does not need to stand the 'test of time' in terms of their magnitude of popularity to be considered 'good' musicians. Marketability is rather irrelevant, at least if we are appreciating music here (not doing an economic profit analysis).

Judging an entire sector of music based on heavy rotation radio songs is foolish. Most commerical rap seems uninspired, but to draw the trigger so quickly on it without listening to more apt artists is not something an advocate for originality and music appreciation would do. It's easy to disdain the current music movement, but it's even easier to not fully grasp the movement by only considering popular acts.

oooh, what a big man you are...hey let me buy you a pack of gum, i'll show you how to chew it!!!

07-06-2005, 09:51 AM	#1 (permalink)
pastor of muppets Guest Posts: n/a	Older Stuff vs Newer Stuff Is it just me, or is most bands older stuff better than their newer stuff?

07-06-2005, 11:17 AM	#2 (permalink)
Krosstika Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Dismal Euphonic Ol' Blighty Posts: 76	Nope it's not just you! i also think the same...personaly i'v always thought it something to do with getting old!...seriously tho,hardly any music bands/artists are gonna be reknown,for there great tunes etc 50 years from now,than what there was through the 60's,70's and 80's.Today it seems anyone will do anything to get famous,and sing a crappy song to get rich and then get on tv! so yeah the old music will always be true music,until things 'maybe' change!??? __________________ Death Is Certain....Life Is Not

07-06-2005, 11:58 AM	#4 (permalink)
Krosstika Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Dismal Euphonic Ol' Blighty Posts: 76	Aye...the Red Hot Chilli Peppers were excellent way back then,and produced some great well known tunes!!! but im not to keen on there newer stuff today tho...and tragic as it may be...im the same with many other artists!? __________________ Death Is Certain....Life Is Not

07-06-2005, 12:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
holdyoualways Elevator to the moon Join Date: May 2005 Location: Snowy, cold, miserable Pennsylvania Posts: 1,088	mmm i guess it kind of depends on the artist. there are certain bands that i think have better new albums than old ones like the used, taking back sunday and sum 41. but there are other artists that i like their older stuff much better like green day and incubus. __________________ You're my satellite <3

07-06-2005, 04:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
shandapanda Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: bababbabababaaa Posts: 354	it's probably cuz they work so hard on the first albums to make themselves known and they feel they have something to prove and afterwards when that has been established they don't always try as hard or something of that nature....but it does depend on the band.. __________________ The Law of Awesome states: Those who are more awesome will cast down those less awesome than themselves, thus climbing the Hierarchy of Awesome and maintaining a balance in the world of Awesome Me poo you

07-06-2005, 11:24 AM	#3 (permalink)
pastor of muppets Guest Posts: n/a	yeh... i dont know... just things like red hot chilis, their new stuff is still good but their old stufff was WAY better........

07-06-2005, 12:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
pastor of muppets Guest Posts: n/a	yep, totally agree...

07-06-2005, 07:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
Krosstika Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Dismal Euphonic Ol' Blighty Posts: 76	There was a time when musicians created and expressed themselves in their music and it became popular on its own merit. Today it seems to me that the music industry and media ram the new stuff down the throats of the youth of the world and convince them that to be popular thay MUST like it.The American & UK pop Idol series is proof of that. No more does a band or artist have to work their way from obscurity to fame. They just need a hook be it exposing the majority of their flesh,exploiting the harshness of inner city impoverished life or appealing to those that feel they do not fit into the mainstream of society.Just SOME of the new music I find quite good, variety is a wonderous thing, but crap is crap,and theres more of it about today... I tend toward classic rock and the likes of black metal. I enjoy Classical from Mozart and Bach etc.I dont care for the hip hop stuff and the whole Britney and her clone things. I fackin hate rap. Rap is not music! so you could say i hate most modern sh!t!? I guess you could say that I believe music was better years ago. Look at the longevity of artist's like ,Maiden, The Stones, Aerosmith, The Eagles, Styx, their stuff is timeless,and the era of Hendrix, The Doors, Led Zepplin...will live forever!!! How many of todays music stars will prove to be marketable in 20 years? Only time will tell. Most producers have ran out of ideas. Rock is just re runs of old sounds, hip hop is progressing into a sad pop scene and the pop scene itself is a joke to music.... __________________ Death Is Certain....Life Is Not