What Makes a Good Singer?

FRED HALE SR. · 08-07-2014, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

I have a particular thing about screaming..

i don't usually like refined screaming, for example like Jared leto from 30 seconds to mars i prefer screams that sound unrefined because they feel more honest, when you scream from your gut you don't care about harmonizing it much cause that's not the point the point is to transmit all you bottled inside in a single burst..

screams like that get to me, they feel liberating.
but more refined ones don't really move me they just sound good.

Jared Leto screams like a newborn baby. I feel liberated having said that.

djchameleon · 08-07-2014, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

Jared Leto screams like a newborn baby. I feel liberated having said that.

Newborn baby screams is music to my ears and I enjoy it.

~~Soulflower~~ · 08-07-2014, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Newborn baby screams is music to my ears and I enjoy it.

Whoooaaa I read what you said to fast....lol

I thought you said baby making screams LOL

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 08-08-2014, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

Jared Leto screams like a newborn baby. I feel liberated having said that.

But regardless of your stance or your opinion of Jared Leto. You'd have to simply be saying the man can't sing out of spite. Because he can indeed sing pretty well. He may not be your cup of tea. But damn. When will people stop saying everything about a band sucks just because they don't like the band? It's ****ing ridiculous and frankly, the individual looks ignorant or like an ass.

FRED HALE SR. · 08-08-2014, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

But regardless of your stance or your opinion of Jared Leto. You'd have to simply be saying the man can't sing out of spite. Because he can indeed sing pretty well. He may not be your cup of tea. But damn. When will people stop saying everything about a band sucks just because they don't like the band? It's ****ing ridiculous and frankly, the individual looks ignorant or like an ass.

No I truly believe he can't sing. He indeed can? He plays top 40 radio music in general and does it on an average basis. What is so very technical about his signing? He rarely changes the keys of his songs and sings in ultimately the same range every song, which comes across bland and boring. When he screams it sounds forced and he lacks any balls in his tone when he does scream. He clearly does that to appeal to his core audience, teenagers. I think his band is as average as they come also, and furthermore their videos suck also and lack direction. I think its far more ridiculous to result to name calling because you are offended by someones opinion on a band that generally just appeals to a teenage audience, it makes someone sound childish.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 08-08-2014, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

No I truly believe he can't sing. He indeed can? He plays top 40 radio music in general and does it on an average basis. What is so very technical about his signing? He rarely changes the keys of his songs and sings in ultimately the same range every song, which comes across bland and boring. When he screams it sounds forced and he lacks any balls in his tone when he does scream. He clearly does that to appeal to his core audience, teenagers. I think his band is as average as they come also, and furthermore their videos suck also and lack direction. I think its far more ridiculous to result to name calling because you are offended by someones opinion on a band that generally just appeals to a teenage audience, it makes someone sound childish.

You misunderstood who I was directing my comment to. I only quoted you to address a general issue.

For you. I'd say your opinion of Jared Leto is more of the better worded ones. Clearly you just don't find his singing to be appealing, so therefore your opinion is also that he can't sing. I can deal with that. But I wonder if you really know when a singer changes key or tone? You probably do, or have a general understanding or idea of it. But maybe you aren't really listening to his bands music, actually listening. Because as someone that looks for a singer that has versatility and knows how to use their voice. I can tell you that Jared Leto isn't just some guy that wanted to get behind a microphone because he 'thought' he had a clue how to sing. Obviously he does have a clue. He couldn't hit the range he does with his voice if he didn't know how to get that from it. He knows how to use his voice for singing. He's not just an actor that is playing another role in a band.

You will likely say his range isn't impressive, or he has no range. But if you do. That's when I'd begin to question if you have any idea what you're saying to begin with. I'm a guy that always gets pretty puzzled when someone says someone can't sing, yet this person they are speaking of, clearly can. That's like saying Freddie Mercury couldn't sing. But we all know he could.

Just to satisfy my curious mind. Have you heard anything from 30 Seconds To Mars S/T album?

@Black Francis

I'm not at all offended. I'm a literal person. So if his post was meant as a joke, it was lost on me. I've nothing against Fred Hale. This is just a discussion and if anyone starts get their **** twisted over it. Well. Don't post. By the way. Fight Club is a favorite movie of mine.

FRED HALE SR. · 08-08-2014, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

You misunderstood who I was directing my comment to. I only quoted you to address a general issue.

For you. I'd say your opinion of Jared Leto is more of the better worded ones. Clearly you just don't find his singing to be appealing, so therefore your opinion is also that he can't sing. I can deal with that. But I wonder if you really know when a singer changes key or tone? You probably do, or have a general understanding or idea of it. But maybe you aren't really listening to his bands music, actually listening. Because as someone that looks for a singer that has versatility and knows how to use their voice. I can tell you that Jared Leto isn't just some guy that wanted to get behind a microphone because he 'thought' he had a clue how to sing. Obviously he does have a clue. He couldn't hit the range he does with his voice if he didn't know how to get that from it. He knows how to use his voice for singing. He's not just an actor that is playing another role in a band.

You will likely say his range isn't impressive, or he has no range. But if you do. That's when I'd begin to question if you have any idea what you're saying to begin with. I'm a guy that always gets pretty puzzled when someone says someone can't sing, yet this person they are speaking of, clearly can. That's like saying Freddie Mercury couldn't sing. But we all know he could.

Just to satisfy my curious mind. Have you heard anything from 30 Seconds To Mars S/T album?

I carefully constructed my response to include the fact I think HE CAN'T SING. I think I detailed pretty well his shortcomings. I certainly do know when a key changes. I think tone encompasses alot of things. Timbre and intensity are some of the biggest factors and are key to why I feel he lacks ability. When he screams which involves the intensity he loses pitch. His timbre doesn't change much which I find unimpressive. How else would one listen to music? I think thats exactly it, he had taken voice lessons at one point because thats what all actors do. They do it for voice over reasons or the fact they may venture into musicals or shows involving music. Everyone has a range vocally, you basically learn this at a young age when someone taps keys on a piano and takes you up a scale its not brain surgery. I already said he lacks range, one other thing i'd like to mention is his bands awful lyrics. I would never use Freddie Mercury to describe Jared Leto, they are polar opposites vocally. The only songs on the self titled i've heard are Capricorn and Edge Of The Earth. I've also heard Kings and Queens plenty of times before i had the ability to flip the channel. I've been sent their records in the past from friends and listened to them completely to form a valid opinion of their music. We are no longer friends as a result. <---- joking

Also wanted to edit to explain i've heard all of their music, but can only remember the popular songs due to excess playage. I know how boards work and this will only lead to more blood shed. LOL

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 08-08-2014, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

I carefully constructed my response to include the fact I think HE CAN'T SING. I think I detailed pretty well his shortcomings. I certainly do know when a key changes. I think tone encompasses alot of things. Timbre and intensity are some of the biggest factors and are key to why I feel he lacks ability. When he screams which involves the intensity he loses pitch. His timbre doesn't change much which I find unimpressive. How else would one listen to music? I think thats exactly it, he had taken voice lessons at one point because thats what all actors do. They do it for voice over reasons or the fact they may venture into musicals or shows involving music. Everyone has a range vocally, you basically learn this at a young age when someone taps keys on a piano and takes you up a scale its not brain surgery. I already said he lacks range, one other thing i'd like to mention is his bands awful lyrics. I would never use Freddie Mercury to describe Jared Leto, they are polar opposites vocally. The only songs on the self titled i've heard are Capricorn and Edge Of The Earth. I've also heard Kings and Queens plenty of times before i had the ability to flip the channel. I've been sent their records in the past from friends and listened to them completely to form a valid opinion of their music. We are no longer friends as a result. <---- joking

lol well, I will digress. I don't mean to imply you don't know what you're talking about. It is clear that we have a few different opinions on what a good singer or vocalist is. I think Jared Leto isn't half bad at what he does. You think he sounds worse than a cat getting screwed. That's cool. Not that it matters. But the majority of 30 Seconds To Mars s/t is better than anything they've put out after it.

And to clarify. I wasn't comparing Freddie Mercury to Jared Leto. I'd be crazy to do that. I was attempting to make a point. A point that failed, clearly.

And to everyone else. Stop thinking I'm not prepared for people to disagree with me. This is called debating, or a discussion. Unless someone says something completely stupid. Don't expect me to piss all over someone or their opinion. If you think what I've said to Hale was extreme or ridiculous. That's cool on you. But I went in to this with a calm temper and retain it still. All is good here. There's no bent ego.

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Hale, sometimes bloodshed is good my friend. So let it flow! The popular songs are always what you will hear. The bands good material from their s/t just became a platinum record recently so, that says something about peoples taste. What the band writes now is to appeal to the specific audience, like you pointed out. They are capable of putting out better material. I don't say that to sway your opinion of the band by the way. It's just a general statement.

FRED HALE SR. · 08-08-2014, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

lol well, I will digress. I don't mean to imply you don't know what you're talking about. It is clear that we have a few different opinions on what a good singer or vocalist is. I think Jared Leto isn't half bad at what he does. You think he sounds worse than a cat getting screwed. That's cool. Not that it matters. But the majority of 30 Seconds To Mars s/t is better than anything they've put out after it.

And to clarify. I wasn't comparing Freddie Mercury to Jared Leto. I'd be crazy to do that. I was attempting to make a point. A point that failed, clearly.

And to everyone else. Stop thinking I'm not prepared for people to disagree with me. This is called debating, or a discussion. Unless someone says something completely stupid. Don't expect me to piss all over someone or their opinion. If you think what I've said to Hale was extreme or ridiculous. That's cool on you. But I went in to this with a calm temper and retain it still. All is good here. There's no bent ego.

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Hale, sometimes bloodshed is good my friend. So let it flow! The popular songs are always what you will hear. The bands good material from their s/t just became a platinum record recently so, that says something about peoples taste. What the band writes now is to appeal to the specific audience, like you pointed out. They are capable of putting out better material. I don't say that to sway your opinion of the band by the way. It's just a general statement.

Discussion is good. I don't take any offense to anyone ever with an opinion on music. I think its great that people can take something different from music of all genres and now in this day and age we can discuss it. I can clearly see you are fond of the self titled. I remember it being a big hit back when it came out which is why I initially gave it a shot. And for all the people that are quick to jump on the guy, let him have his opinion and lets keep the discussion going on vocalists, no harm no foul. I didn't find anything harmful in your post so have at it. As for them having the ability to produce better music, I can only hope so.

Black Francis · 08-08-2014, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

But regardless of your stance or your opinion of Jared Leto. You'd have to simply be saying the man can't sing out of spite. Because he can indeed sing pretty well. He may not be your cup of tea. But damn. When will people stop saying everything about a band sucks just because they don't like the band? It's ****ing ridiculous and frankly, the individual looks ignorant or like an ass.

I think you are the one who is ridiculous, ppl are free to share a negative opinion on a band they don't like, it's one thing to attack a band you don't like but it's another thing to attack the ppl who like that band and Fred attacked the band, in fact not even the band just Jared leto but you on the other hand attacked fred.

i don't like 30 second to mars and i think they suck and wrong or right that is MY opinion not a fact of life.

Why were you so defensive over his post? it's clearly an exaggerated joke.