Why does the mainstream industry only want a select few to be popular?

~~Soulflower~~ · 09-25-2014, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I think everyone agrees sex is used to make a profit. I don't recall everyone saying it's excessive or "hyper-sexual" as you would say. Also, just because something is based entirely around sex and there isn't supposed to be some sort of social critique attached doesn't take away from the creative process. I feel like you are just taking credit away from the artists and video directors because they aren't using sex appeal in the way you feel it should be used.

Similar to how I used to say Lil Wayne and Drake aren't real rappers just because I hate everything about them. They are rappers, they are creators, I just happen to disagree with the overall message of their songs and hate the art they create. That doesn't make them more or less creative than another artist.

My argument is that it is strictly being used to capitalize off of the sex market and I think since these singers are suppose to be "artists" they could be a little bit more creative with how they use sexuality in their songs and music videos.

All I see in these videos are half naked pop stars or naked pop stars and if that is how they choose to present themselves than that is fine but I personally would not call that "creative"

DwnWthVwls · 09-25-2014, 06:11 PM

But they are MUSIC artists. It's like telling a painter he's a bad artist because he can't sing for sh*t. Why are you comparing their artistic talent based on music videos and not their ability to sing, song write, etc?

I see that you pointed out "how they use sexuality in their songs" lyrics which I think is an appropriate way to judge them as a music artist but there is more to their music than their lyrics. Some of these people don't even write their own songs so their creativity shouldn't be judged based upon it. It's about how they use the lyrics and put their creative twist on it. If you ever watched "The Voice" it's very clear, when the judges are helping their teammates practice their upcoming performances, how important the little things are: a slight change in pitch, emphasis on certain words, etc.

~~Soulflower~~ · 09-25-2014, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

But they are MUSIC artists. It's like telling a painter he's a bad artist because he can't sing for sh*t. Why are you comparing their artistic talent based on music videos and not their ability to sing, song write, etc?

I see that you pointed out "how they use sexuality in their songs" lyrics which I think is an appropriate way to judge them as a music artist but there is more to their music than their lyrics. Some of these people don't even write their own songs so their creativity shouldn't be judged based upon it. It's about how they use the lyrics and put their creative twist on it. If you ever watched "The Voice" it's very clear, when the judges are helping their teammates practice their upcoming performances, how important the little things are: a slight change in pitch, emphasis on certain words, etc.

Which is why I insisted this agenda is being pushed by the industry since these pop stars are just corporate puppets that are being used as pawns.

This topic is not about who can sing. This issue was about the explicit and hyper sexuality that is being marketed in the pop industry though song lyrics and music videos.

DwnWthVwls · 09-25-2014, 08:28 PM

Yes I know. I thought we were past that topic though. No one disagrees that sex is being marketed to increase record sales and create publicity. That hasn't been the topic for the past several replies. The post you just quoted was a response to the following:

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Originally Posted by Soulflower

The issue is what is being presented is to us not creative or artistic.

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Originally Posted by Soulflower

My argument is that it is strictly being used to capitalize off of the sex market and I think since these singers are suppose to be "artists" they could be a little bit more creative with how they use sexuality in their songs and music videos. - I think this is a separate issue from the point I'm trying to make, and I agree.

All I see in these videos are half naked pop stars or naked pop stars and if that is how they choose to present themselves than that is fine but I personally would not call that "creative"

My point is, their creativity as an artist is not necessarily linked to the marketing and I think it's unfair for you to discredit their creativity just because it isn't being used in a way you appreciate.

Pet_Sounds · 09-26-2014, 10:08 AM

I think Miley's transformation was a result of her getting sick of the Hannah Montana image imposed upon her, not the industry forcing her to.

Black Francis · 09-26-2014, 10:33 AM

^ Agree.

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Originally Posted by Felipe21279

But what is happening with these Teen Artists is becoming a pattern, a really sad pattern. Look at Bieber and Miley Cyrus, for example; they are talended artists, and were a promise for the future, but something, or someone in the Industry engineered their "transformation". Looking at Miley Cyrus is simply painful and sad...

um.. what? Bieber and Miley were a promise of the future? a promise of what? they were both molded for mainstream pop music and now they're both rebelling against the image that made them famous.

The funny thing is ppl preferred them when they were manufactured clean cut idols and now that they rebelled against that Miley is "Painful and sad to watch" as you said and Bieber is getting in trouble with the law to shed his clean cut image but even with that most ppl still hate them. they hate them for what they were AND for trying to change that.

Doesn't that prove we actually like manufactured artist?

Black Francis · 09-26-2014, 11:40 AM

It's not a conspiracy it's a well known fact most pop idols go through a rebellion phase or a skank phase lol

Miley is not the first or the last artist to do this, Cristina aguilera did it, Britney did it, Madonna did it, you would think by now it would be expected.

And yes i know that phase is manufactured but what isn't manufactured nowadays, even other genres that aren't as popular as pop are all manufactured in a way.

There is a manufactured requisite in most music genres, metal heads and punks all adhere to a manufactured code within their own music culture and wheter it was created by themselves OR record companies it is as manufactured as main stream music.

There is an exploited formula in every genre not just pop and ppl eat up the familiarity of it yet they piss and moan they want something new and fresh

~~Soulflower~~ · 09-26-2014, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Felipe21279

I guess "musical ldentity" is being heavily damaged by the Industry. Music is almost becoming like a Theatre, or a Soap Opera. We have characters/figures instead of singers, who keep being "molded" and changed for some kind of strict agenda. They don't have freedom...

But what is happening with these Teen Artists is becoming a pattern, a really sad pattern. Look at Bieber and Miley Cyrus, for example; they are talended artists, and were a promise for the future, but something, or someone in the Industry engineered their "transformation". Looking at Miley Cyrus is simply painful and sad...

It's not a "casual" thing, it was precisely calculated and made to be like that. As i said before, singers now need to follow an Agenda to become popular. And i'm talking about GLOBAL Music.

It's the same thing everywhere.

Agree!!!

~~Soulflower~~ · 09-26-2014, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

^ Agree.

um.. what? Bieber and Miley were a promise of the future? a promise of what? they were both molded for mainstream pop music and now they're both rebelling against the image that made them famous.

The funny thing is ppl preferred them when they were manufactured clean cut idols and now that they rebelled against that Miley is "Painful and sad to watch" as you said and Bieber is getting in trouble with the law to shed his clean cut image but even with that most ppl still hate them. they hate them for what they were AND for trying to change that.

Doesn't that prove we actually like manufactured artist?

I think they catered to a certain demographic (mostly kids and early teens). They changed their image during a time they were still considered teen idols so they became "unsafe" for that demographic. It is possible they changed their image to soon and the industry/public did not like it. The funny thing I don't understand about the media is. They will insist an act like Miley is to controversial but then they will say an act like Beyonce is "safe" when she practically does the same thing. I definitely think there is an agenda going on behind the scenes with how they market certain acts.

DwnWthVwls · 09-26-2014, 01:21 PM

This blame the industry bullsh*t is getting old. Let's remove all responsibility from humans and blame businesses for our decision making. If you can't think for yourself that is your problem, not the salesman who's sh*t your buying.

Is the industry grimy? Sure.
Is it their fault your a f*cking idiot or care more about money than morality/self-respect/etc? Nope.

hehe.

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Pet_Sounds Remember the underscore Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The other side Posts: 2,488	I think Miley's transformation was a result of her getting sick of the Hannah Montana image imposed upon her, not the industry forcing her to. __________________ Everybody's dying just to get the disease Last edited by Pet_Sounds; 09-26-2014 at 10:09 AM. Reason: clarification

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Black Francis Out of Place Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: in an abstract house Posts: 4,111	It's not a conspiracy it's a well known fact most pop idols go through a rebellion phase or a skank phase lol Miley is not the first or the last artist to do this, Cristina aguilera did it, Britney did it, Madonna did it, you would think by now it would be expected. And yes i know that phase is manufactured but what isn't manufactured nowadays, even other genres that aren't as popular as pop are all manufactured in a way. There is a manufactured requisite in most music genres, metal heads and punks all adhere to a manufactured code within their own music culture and wheter it was created by themselves OR record companies it is as manufactured as main stream music. There is an exploited formula in every genre not just pop and ppl eat up the familiarity of it yet they piss and moan they want something new and fresh __________________ "Hey Kids you got to meet the MIGHTY PIXIES!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbRbCtIgW3A