Has music become pussified?

Paul Smeenus · 03-28-2014, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninetales

What speaks to you does not necessarily speak to others.

Trust me, that message NEVER gets across. Ever.

Necromancer · 03-28-2014, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Wpnfire

I don't meant to undermine what the point your making here, but what you just posted sounds like what Kyle says during the episode Christian Rock Hard from South Park.

That is funny in the sense I've never really watched South Park, other than with my two boys from time to time. One of them might be familiar with the particular episode you're talking about

My guess would be yes my accent thrown you off.

The Batlord · 03-28-2014, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus

In 2014. But in the 60's that song was the beginning of a massive youth counter-culture, one that the WWII generation simply did not understand. There was no questioning (or at least precious little) of authority prior to that. The question here was whether or not music can affect positive real life change, I would argue that TTTAAC did exactly that. Ask Lyndon Johnson.

Was it actually that culturally influential though? Would the whole counter culture movement have not started because of one song? Seems kind of absurd. Plenty of music can be a soundtrack to an event, but I have a hard time believing that a song is going to be responsible for something like that.

~~Soulflower~~ · 03-28-2014, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninetales

What speaks to you does not necessarily speak to others.

That is true... but that does not mean I can't have an opinion on the state of pop music either.

Most of the mainstream music lacks depth and substance

The way most of these pop songs are constructed are just not that good in my opinion.

I am not saying every single song lol but for the majority it is not.

~~Soulflower~~ · 03-28-2014, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Necromancer

I personally consider a lot of the professional bands themselves, to be the "Pussified".

"Sellouts' to the music industry.

Espeacially those that are in the buissness of recording and performing for the money only, instead of being true to themselves, their music, and their fans.

As far as music of rebellion, political and social reform that is not currently popular with the modern music of today.
Well I just don't think its as popular today as it was (as most of us already know) like it was during the mid 60's into the early 70s, with the ongoing Vietnam War and the civil rights movement both going on during that time in music history.

AGREE

I think that is my main issue with alot of these pop artists out now.

Wpnfire · 03-28-2014, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by realtalk92

That is true... but that does not mean I can't have an opinion on the state of pop music either.

Most of the mainstream music lacks depth and substance

The way most of these pop songs are constructed are just not that good in my opinion.

I am not saying every single song lol but for the majority it is not.

Look Realtalk, it doesn't matter if you say "some songs" or "most songs" of today lack depth and substance–that's still the fallacy of composition and that's just not good reasoning.

You can not say that a few songs (you have yet to mention even a single song as of yet) speak for the majority of today's music.

Unless you, or anybody else that thinks today's music is "lacking depth and substance," can name 100 (random) songs from today and 100 (random) songs (100 is a statistically significant number) from 20 years ago or however long ago, that are comparatively better than the songs of today, you are just plain being ignorant of tons of music.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but you're just engaging in an illogical argument that will continue to be illogical because the argument is subjective.

**Frownland** · 03-28-2014, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Wpnfire

Look Realtalk, it doesn't matter if you say "some songs" or "most songs" of today lack depth and substance–that's still the fallacy of composition and that's just not good reasoning.

You can not say that a few songs (you have yet to mention even a single song as of yet) speak for the majority of today's music.

Unless you, or anybody else that thinks today's music is "lacking depth and substance," can name 100 (random) songs from today and 100 (random) songs (100 is a statistically significant number) from 20 years ago or however long ago, that are comparatively better than the songs of today, you are just plain being ignorant of tons of music.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but you're just engaging in an illogical argument that will continue to be illogical because the argument is subjective.

you're barking up the wrong tree dude. Realtalk and logic are mortal enemies.

~~Soulflower~~ · 03-28-2014, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Wpnfire

Look Realtalk, it doesn't matter if you say "some songs" or "most songs" of today lack depth and substance–that's still the fallacy of composition and that's just not good reasoning.

You can not say that a few songs (you have yet to mention even a single song as of yet) speak for the majority of today's music.

Unless you, or anybody else that thinks today's music is "lacking depth and substance," can name 100 (random) songs from today and 100 (random) songs (100 is a statistically significant number) from 20 years ago or however long ago, that are comparatively better than the songs of today, you are just plain being ignorant of tons of music.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but you're just engaging in an illogical argument that will continue to be illogical because the argument is subjective.

I don't have a problem in backing my opinion but can you please quote me where I said this was a fact?

This entire time I have expressed this is my opinion which I am entitled to have.

So why are you giving me a speech about my opinion being subjective when I never said that my opinion was fact?

If you disagree with it, that's fine... but don't say my argument is illogical just because you disagree with it. It comes off snobbish

YorkeDaddy · 03-28-2014, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by realtalk92

I don't have a problem in backing my opinion but can you please quote me where I said this was a fact?

This entire time I have expressed this is my opinion which I am entitled to have.

So why are you giving me a speech about my opinion being subjective when I never said that my opinion was fact?

If you disagree with it, that's fine... but don't say my argument is illogical just because you disagree with it. It comes off snobbish

oh god the irony is painful

~~Soulflower~~ · 03-28-2014, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

oh god the irony is painful

It is... because you are oddly always disrespectful, rude and obnoxious towards me for no reason and I have not a clue why.