Has music become pussified?

Black Francis · 03-27-2014, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

I really don't think they need to. No but I feel like you are a product of the times and environment around you.Whether you are conscious of it or not.
And if you are naturally a person who is affected by social unrest, and it's a subject that is near and dear to your heart it will be reflective in your music.

Exactly, it's up to the artist if they wanna talk about that
They don't want the burden to be "A voice of a generation" most artist hate that title

There is no prerequisite that you have to be a model citizen or even a decent person to be a musician, you just need to play and sing wthvr is in your mind.

It bothers me a little when ppl project this expectation on them, as if every artist should take it upon him to better the world through a liberal message you can see other activist already have been preaching since god knows when.

Neapolitan · 03-27-2014, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I can't even believe that Marilyn Manson is even being mentioned in the same breath as three people who are actual music icons. He made some okay music but he was just a gimmicky flash in pan. And even with the other three, what did they really stand for? Elvis was just in the right place at the right time. Lennon was an attention whore who seemed more interested in making headlines than making an actual point (and we have one of those right now in the form of Kanye West). And Bowie, while certainly the most talented of the bunch, didn't really stand for much aside from simply being an interesting person who made good music.

In my opinion Elvis was a fan of music first, he always strive to be a better singer and he had broad taste in music for the part of the country he lived in at the time.

John Lennon dropped out of the music scene when his second son was born to be a better father, maybe at first but I don't John Lennon was always an attention whore.

The only positive thing I can say about Marilyn Manson is I like him better in the Wonder Years.

Black Francis · 03-27-2014, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus

In 2014. But in the 60's that song was the beginning of a massive youth counter-culture, one that the WWII generation simply did not understand. There was no questioning (or at least precious little) of authority prior to that. The question here was whether or not music can affect positive real life change, I would argue that TTTAAC did exactly that. Ask Lyndon Johnson.

Good point, A song can ignite a movement that in turn can change the world.

Way to shut me up Paul.

Paul Smeenus · 03-27-2014, 07:29 PM

^ well having said all that, I couldn't name a *second* song that affected world change.

~~Soulflower~~ · 03-27-2014, 10:25 PM

I personally don't think these artists HAVE to make political songs but the songs can at least have some depth and some substance. The songs do not necessarily have to be political in order to have depth.

Two Spirit · 03-27-2014, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninetales

But yes lets whine about more things in music. There is not enough music nowadays about colors. Back in the good ol days of music there were tons of colors in music. Ever heard of yellow submarine?? Coincidence?? Modern music is sham wake up sheeple.

I don't believe all modern music is a sham or is being used to brainwash people, but I do wish that there were more interesting and daring artists in the mainstream.

RoxyRollah · 03-27-2014, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Spirit

I don't believe all modern music is a sham or is being used to brainwash people, but I do wish that there were more interesting and daring artists in the mainstream.

COUGH* INDIE..INDEPENDENT labels have what are you looking for.

In the mainstream you aren't gonna have that.

Necromancer · 03-28-2014, 12:53 AM

I personally consider a lot of the professional bands themselves, to be the "Pussified".

"Sellouts' to the music industry.

Espeacially those that are in the buissness of recording and performing for the money only, instead of being true to themselves, their music, and their fans.

As far as music of rebellion, political and social reform that is not currently popular with the modern music of today.
Well I just don't think its as popular today as it was (as most of us already know) like it was during the mid 60's into the early 70s, with the ongoing Vietnam War and the civil rights movement both going on during that time in music history.

Ninetales · 03-28-2014, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by realtalk92

I personally don't think these artists HAVE to make political songs but the songs can at least have some depth and some substance. The songs do not necessarily have to be political in order to have depth.

What speaks to you does not necessarily speak to others.

Wpnfire · 03-28-2014, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Necromancer

Especially those that are in the buissness of recording and performing for the money only, instead of being true to themselves, their music, and their fans

I don't meant to undermine what the point your making here, but what you just posted sounds like what Kyle says during the episode Christian Rock Hard from South Park.

03-27-2014, 10:25 PM	#35 (permalink)
~~Soulflower~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,304	I personally don't think these artists HAVE to make political songs but the songs can at least have some depth and some substance. The songs do not necessarily have to be political in order to have depth.

03-28-2014, 12:53 AM	#38 (permalink)
Necromancer Divination Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,655	I personally consider a lot of the professional bands themselves, to be the "Pussified". "Sellouts' to the music industry. Espeacially those that are in the buissness of recording and performing for the money only, instead of being true to themselves, their music, and their fans. As far as music of rebellion, political and social reform that is not currently popular with the modern music of today. Well I just don't think its as popular today as it was (as most of us already know) like it was during the mid 60's into the early 70s, with the ongoing Vietnam War and the civil rights movement both going on during that time in music history.