Rainard Jalen

Ya know, that one that got rave reviews and stuff towards the end of last year. That one I only heard about last week. That one with that has some song on it about doing something weird and probably dangerous with a surfboard.

EDIT: I put this in general because I think albums like the one I'm asking about kinda tend to be so obscure and confused in their influences that they end up sidestepping genre. Don't even really qualify as pop, given poor charting of the singles.

Goofle

It was okay at best.

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Soulflower

The album got rave reviews because of the way her team released it not because of the quality of the album.


What I think is funny about the whole thing is, David Bowie released his entire album last year without telling anybody either and he was the FIRST to do it and no one said nothing about that. There was no hype or PR around it.

David Bowie did not need a PR tactic to fool people into buying his album because his music speaks for itself.

Her latest album is just like the rest of her albums, bland, mediocre and boring. The reason why her team dump her entire album all at once is because none of the singles were strong enough as leading singles. Great marketing ploy.... but crap album.

You would think an artist of her status would have grown artistically by now but she is stuck in a bubble. She cares about being a brand more so than growing as an artist which is why I have never considered her an "artist" and more so just "a brand"

Her music is fast food. People eat it up once it is out but it is easily forgotten.

That Drunk in Love song that plays on the radio is VERY disrespectful towards Tina Turner. Its sad that children listen to it and think it is "cool" for a man to hit on a woman. :/ Not only that it is just an awful song.

Female artists like Janelle Monae, Kelis, etc are more talented and more interesting.

djchameleon

That doesn't even make sense. An album got rave reviews over how it was released? You do know that reviews are actually based off of the music that are on albums right?

You may not like Beyonce because of whatever personal issues you have with her but the album was worth all the reviews that it did get.

I'm slightly offended that you put Kelis on the same level as Janelle Monae. You should be ashamed of that.

People wouldn't have spent their money on an album that was as **** as you are pretending it is. She got around 600,000 dollars worth of digital sales in three days.

XO, Pretty Hurts, Drunk In Love, Partition and Flawless are all single worthy tracks. Only three out of the five I have named have been singles so far but I'm sure she'll probably make the track with Drake be a single even though it's not the best song imo.

You should definitely give it a try and see how you feel about it. She mixes a lot of different sub genres on the album. Some retro soul, alternative R&B, synth pop, it is a bit all over.

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Fame, fortune, power, titties. People say these are the most crucial things in life, but you can have a pocket full o' gold and it doesn't mean sh*t if you don't have someone to share that gold with. Seems simple. Yet it's an important lesson to learn. Even lone wolves run in packs sometimes.

Soulflower

You honestly believe all music reviews are strictly based on the music and NOTHING else?


I don't have any personal issues with her because I don't know her personally.

I just think she is outrageously overrated and makes bland music.


Actually the album is not.

I listened to the entire album and the album is not a 9/10 or 5/5 stars like all the critics were giving that album.


Rihanna and Lady Gaga make the same type of music and have the same type of lyrics but they get poor reviews while they gave that Beyonce album 5/5 stars for the same music they make?


They gave her those ratings because it was alot of hype around the way she released it not because it was such a innovative album.



I did not place her on the same level as Janelle. I said female artists like Janelle and Kelis are more talented and more interesting... and they are.

Kelis has a great discography and her new album is fire.


She does a better Lady Gaga than Lady Gaga does herself.

You obviously have not listened to her entire discography or watched her videos.


Do you understand how marketing works?

Her team dropped that album with flashy videos attached to the songs during Christmas time. She did it after Lady Gaga released her album, after Justin released his album, after Katy Perry released her album and so forth.

Her team dropped the album without telling anybody which garnered hype around her release. Those initial sales were because of the way she dropped it. Not to mention you had to buy the album before actually listening to the songs. Whoever brought the album were bamboozled by a PR tactic. I know some people who got it that regret getting it because they said she was trying to hard and the songs sucked.


No one doesn't talk about that album and the sells have dropped. Who still talks about that album or the songs? It has just been what 3 1/2 months since its released and it has already been old news.


She leaked flawless over the summer and she received negative reviews. She also received negative reviews for that stupid Drunk in Love song where she disrespects Tina Turner. I would sue Jay Z and Beyonce if I was Tina Turner. Those other singles are not single worthy and I notice folks talked more about how naked she was in the videos versus the quality of the actual songs.


I did and I don't care for the album. I think she tries to hard, is shallow and follows trends. She was copying Lady Gaga and Rihanna all on this album and in the videos. At this point in her career, she should not be stripping half naked in her videos and her lyrics could be more maturer.

djchameleon

The only similarities between those artists that you listed is that you don't like any of them.

They had to listen to the album and they gave her those ratings based off of the songs on the album but keep telling yourself that it was only because of the way it was released.

You might not have put her on the same level as Janelle but to even include her in the same sentence and say some wild crap like she's more talented and interesting is so way off base but that's subjective so whatever. You can feel that way but I don't agree one bit!


Highly doubt that.

I'm not going to listen to her entire discography because Kelis isn't good like that and isn't worth my time. I've heard enough from her and I find most of her material boring.

She would have still gotten the same sales regardless of her competition.

Her team dropped the album without telling anybody which garnered hype around her release. Those initial sales were because of the way she dropped it. Not to mention you had to buy the album before actually listening to the songs. Whoever brought the album were bamboozled by a PR tactic. I know some people who got it that regret getting it because they said she was trying to hard and the songs sucked.[/QUOTE]

If that's the case that the album sucked so badly and people weren't able to hear it from their friends that already bought it and it spread worth of mouth that people actually enjoyed it. Why is it that David Bowie's sales barely made 100k using the same tactic? Since you want to chalk it up to only the way it was distributed and nothing else.

That's fine no one you know in your small circle doesn't talk about it but it's still been talked about regardless of what you think.


I wasn't talking to you with that last statement. that was for the OP. The reason I say you have a personal issue with her is because you've been slagging off Beyonce for what seems like forever. Even before she released her last album. I get it you don't like her, Lady Gaga, Rihanna or Jay-Z. Why shouldn't she be proud of her body? Stripping naked isn't something to be ashamed of. It sounds like you are slut shaming her and she's in a monogamous relationship with a child of her own.

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Fame, fortune, power, titties. People say these are the most crucial things in life, but you can have a pocket full o' gold and it doesn't mean sh*t if you don't have someone to share that gold with. Seems simple. Yet it's an important lesson to learn. Even lone wolves run in packs sometimes.

Soulflower

No I was making a point.


Why is it okay for Beyonce to act like a slut in her videos but Miley Cyrus , Lady Gaga and Rihanna get bashed for it?

Why is it okay for Beyonce to Make fun of Tina Turner's abusive marriage to Ike Turner

Why is it okay for Beyonce to Make a song called Bow Down B#$%hes

But Rihanna and Lady Gaga are constantly dragged by the media and their distractions when they make similar songs and do similar things in their videos?

I am not a fan of any of them but I do notice that there is a unfair double standard when it comes to Beyonce. Just because I am not a fan of theres does not mean I can not acknowledge that some of their criticism is unfair when there are other artists that do the same thing that dont get criticized.


I am not telling myself anything. I saw a few reviews that gave it a 6/10 and they said that the album sounds like the music that is already out on the radio and nothing new.

Why is it so impossible for you to consider that the hype generated by the way she released the album also played a role in how the critics rated it?


You are not being objective in this discussion because you are not taking into consideration that SOME critics rate songs and albums NOT just on the quality of the material.



Kelis is more interesting to me because she actually has "personality" not just off stage but in her performances and in her music. She switches up her style and her genre as well. She does not follow trends or cares about chasing the charts. She is artistic, takes risk and is creative in her music, stage performances and music videos. She is fly. She covers a wide range of subject matter, writes her own music and plays instruments.

Check out this cool song from her upcoming album.
I think this song is better than anything Beyonce has ever released.






Highly doubt that.


What songs besides Milkshake have you heard DJ? lol



Then why didn't she released her album when JT, Lady Gaga, Rihanna etc released there's if she would have gotten the same sells?

Her team is not stupid.

I don't even like JT but he still sold way more than she did and didn't have to do a silly PR tactic to get quick sells.





I didn't mention sells not one time when I brought up David Bowie. David Bowie received acclaim for the QUALITY of his music, not for the sells. People were surprised because he had not released an album in 10 years. This man did not have the kind of commercial promotion Beyonce had. She had a tour, the Superbowl, the inauguration, etc AND then she dropped her album. Bowie did not have that...

He just dropped it with NO promotion.




So are you reading my mind now? You don't know who I know or where I got the feedback that her album was not good. People talked about that album for a week and that was it. More people on the internet talked about it than people in real life. Regardless of what others think, the album simply was not that good period. That opinion comes from me actually listening to the album myself.


I don't slag her at every opportunity. lol This thread is about her album and I am just giving my opinion on it.

It is nothing wrong with being proud of your body but I find issue with a woman who calls them self a role model for young girls but then shows their ass in videos and acts like a slut knowing that most of her fans are young underage impressionable girls. You cant have it both ways. You cant say you care about children and then turn around and act like that in your videos. You cant be the slut AND the girl next door. I just think she does and says things for money doesn't really care about those young girls.

Janelle Monae is a better role model.

Two Spirit

That has more to do with the fact that Bowie isn't relevant these days. Sure, he has fans that still support him, but nothing on the same level as Beyonce's fanbase.

Soulflower

I don't think this has anything to do with fans per se.


I think this has to do with the critics and the media.

Regardless whether David Bowie is more or less relevant than Beyonce, he was the first to release a digital album without promotion.

He deserves that credit.

Two Spirit

I agree that he's the first, but in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter. Bowie's album sold 85,000 the first week and Beyonce's album sold 600,000+ in its first three days.

Bowie isn't being snubbed. His digital release just didn't have any impact like Beyonce's did.