(NOTE: I know this might not be needed, but to those outside of The US, this is only about the American Division of the network. I'm sure other countries have more music than the US branch...I hope I'm right...)

Agreed. I remember when M2 started up. Around a lot of The US, however, they just switch on the one station, M2 flew only a little but it was too little too late. Most of The US only goes for the first channel, and apparently has no interest in looking elsewhere or checking out the other stations when you look at all of the complaints...although I will say that they might be the ones who just may complain about the programming if they were around at that time (some people think they were not born to be pleased).

Still, the main point is that it's all about the timing, and this was really before the Internet took away MTV's once-strong hold on the format. The rise of the alternative in Popular Music (Hip Hop, Grunge, and even EBM...er, what was marketed as Industrial for starters) was breaking a lot of what happened in The Late 80's with Grunge taking over Hair Metal and 90-1 when the Ice Ice Babies were cheapening the world or Rap. Even if it was for a fashion, the Alternatives were starting to look real good, but with Viacom looking over their shoulder, wanting a steady stream of ratings (OK, their point taken and understood), the success of The Real World really made them ditch the Video-centric programming which really was going overboard anyways, especially with the labels losing money on expensive videos that were pretty much given away to the network (I'm sure with the bills going to the bands I think), killing a lot of what could have been the second round of forwarding the music with a broader spectrum instead of just the Pop/AOR format it had in the so called glory days. Even if the Alternatives would go away (and they did), the Music would have never stopped at least, but a TV Network company is the kind that will seriously switch thing around to the point where it's only a regular TV Station with some bits of music here and there and with their shows attracting the Small Dots and the Trailer Parks resulting in regular money generating ratings (at least I think...I could be wrong...), it will continue with their programming. Those looking for alternatives have many things to choose from now, but MTV lost that step in a very crucial time - I have had many complaints about it, but that's not where I'm going to.

The Real World sparked a lot of annoying trends on TV, especially that of the "Reality" TV Show genre. The 15 Minutes of Fame thanks to a camera pointed at someone dealing with Drama all added up. The Big Mistake was that with the success of the show, it encouraged a lot of crap both in media and in life in general.

Things should have focused on Music and not Human Drama. Although looking at the success of Musicians is very shallow at worst, it's at least looking at accomplishment and not encouraging people to add Drama to their lives in the hopes that they too will actually be in foront of a camera...in a way that was the first spark of all of the garbage you see on Facebook and other Social Platforms. Just my opinion.

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24 Hour party People, was way better. I liked Control, don't get me wrong but the guy that played Ian Curtis was all around a better Ian impersonator, then the guy in Control.....


Game on!

I would go back in time and warn lennon he is about to get shot.

Also i would like to go back to the exact spot Kurt cobain died, to see if he really killed himself or if he was murdered.

it's strange, i don't really wish to prevent Kurt's death i just wanna know what really happened.

I'd set the Way-Back machine to 09-21-87 and hire a few body guards for Jaco Pastorius. I've recently re-discovered this incredible musician, and his demise is such a shame it's heartbreaking.

To be honest I think the tragedies I would really like to prevent are the small ones.
Stopping the death of John Lennon or Jim Morrison or Kurt Cobain would have too dramatic an impact. I just want something lowkey like a new Exploding Hearts album.

i kinda agree a little, that's why i don't want to prevent Kurt's death but i gotta warn lennon man, i remember seeing the imagine documentary and seeing John walk down a park saying he was optimistic about the 80's and just looking forward to life but not as beatle, just as a human being and then some ****in psycho fan shoots him and ended everything for him. he deserved better than that imo.

I feel the same about Richey Edwards from the Manics, I would like to follow him for a bit (like a stalker) just to see if he topped himself or if it was part of a big magical disappearing act.

(I am 95% sure he is probably dead)

I'd like to know the same thing about Jim Morrison.

I'd want to be there for the formation and rise of the shaggs up until they disbanded. Theyre so much legend surrounding them that I want to understand

I thought he died in an ambulance on the way to the hospital? They just assumed he was OD on heroin and would not let him get off his back to throw up or something like that? Thought that wast the story in his biography but could be wrong. These things are always clouded in mystery.

But anyways, good call. Would love to see what Hendrix next steps would have been. He was on the cusp of really going a new direction.

It'd be nice to prevent Eric Dolphy's death. I think he could've contributed some (more) fantastic material to the jazz world.

Here's a light one for you: 1992/3 - Sessions for "Turn It Up" by Blur - "This album is starting to really sharpen up! Who knows, you just may really get the cred you deserve! (*and it did!) Excellent stuff...except for this! 'Kazoo kazoo you are mine'?!!! Save it for the B sides! Pure throwaway! "Bang" it out of there!"

Today, Modern Life Is Rubbish is rightfully a great album, and the one that sparked a long life of serious greatness, although one with a notorious skip track although the pain is blunted thanks to the excellence of most of the rest of the album.

EDIT: Thought of another light one - 1987 - Style Council's Jerusalem TV Special and the "Right to Go" song on The Cost of Loving (some say the whole album, possibly). Seen as the beginning of the end for Paul Weller's Post-Jam group that had two good albums that proved that he was thinking right by changing his tune, but it seems possible that Beatles-Worship got the better of him with a few concepts that did not match the music very well (The TV special being his Magical Mystery Tour and The Cost of Loving's "Orange Album" concept for the UK cover was quite reminiscent of a familiar 1968 album cover).

And it would have been a lot easier to prevent than some of the other deaths mentioned in this thread. Just grab one of those German doctors and say, "He's not ODing, he's in a diabetic coma. Don't wait it out, get a goddamn IV in him."

I absolutely don't think it's a good idea to prevent anyone's death. People die for a reason and maybe the beatles would have brought out repetative, and lame albums by the end. Maybe kurt cobain would have started with flowery poppy ****. Maybe Jim Morrison might have in his impulsive behaviour finally killed Pam Courson and would have gone off as the devil himself, and not as the beautiful soul he was. Go back in time to .. i don't know.. **** Grace Slick, or actually go to Woodstock, but don't change anything drastic. (Killing Courtney Love is cool tho)

I think it is worth saving his life just for this possibility. It would be incredible.

And let someone live who tried seven times to kill himself,
before he actually succeeded?
do you actually think that kurt cobain was satisfied with his life?
he wanted to die. all the time. and he succeeded.
and i'm happy for him, that he did.

Huh? It's like .. someone spoke but then sort of wavered and disappeared! Weird! Must have gone back in time and fucked up the space time continuum and had butterfly effect type ripples through time where he came back to the present and ceased to exist because of something he did in the past.

That'd be my guess anyway.
Or else I'm drunk.

Ah. So you'd be one of those "Ignore me just continue what you're doing, this is a documentary from the future" people would you? Don't want to get involved, change time, just get a cheap thrill and satisfy your curiosity? People like you make me sick. :rofl:

You could at least tell him he's holding the wrong end of the shotgun...

:rofl:

I would stop Theatres des Vampires from being rid of Lord Vampyr.

I mean seriously... from this:



to this:



Draconian did the same thing.

Actually in a nutshell I would gas chamber all the female backup vocalists who eventually took the place of excellent male leads. I've yet to see a better sound come of it.

I never ever thought I'd become a meme

Paul Smemus

We could just shorten it to Smeme.

Smarch would be your meme birth month.

The Smeme became self-aware in Smarch... say it with me... the...

Well in Cobain's death i wouldn't interfere cause idk if he killed himself or he was killed.

if i killed himself i wouldn't interfere, and if someone killed him i wouldn't interfere cause they would probably kill me too, im a time traveller im not immortal. lol

I co-sign this.

Smeme is definitely a thing now.

You've finally made it.

I agree with most of what you are saying but the more video focused channels are MTVU which plays in colleges. There were TVs on the wall in my dining area that were always tuned into MTVU which would play all the indie crap that kids love today along with some alternative hip hop stuff but mostly indie.

MTVJams plays all the hip hop from new stuff that has come out this week that's in heavy rotation to classic jams from the 90s. It kind of reminds me of YoMTV Raps.

MTVHits plays mostly the pop stuff but they do have different programming where they will play a certain genre like there is a segment called clubland I believe it's called where they play EDM.

The people that whine about MTV are definitely just talking about the original channel but they have branched out so much more than that with these other channels.

MTV2 is still around but it basically became similar to what happened to the regular MTV channel. Also the regular MTV channel DOES play music video blocks but you have to be up stupid early. It happens like between 4am to 6am.

I don't even get it... :confused:

This is a (well, *the*) smeme


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Late 1960s? - Demonstrate to Keith Moon on holding a damn drink. Restless and responsible sounds better.

Ok, so I would go back in time, and send Elvis a letter, detailing the degree to which he will be swindled by Col.Tom Parker. Just a letter. I'd mail that **** and get back in my time machine.

I'd go back to the beginning of September, 1972 and try to convince the management at Columbia records and The Stooges, to get Andy or Glyn Johns (or any competent engineer/producer) into the studio to work on the "Raw Power" recording sessions to bring out the full sonic capabilities of that magnificent beast of an album. And I'd do everything possible to keep Iggy's hands as far away from the controls as possible!

Is it safe to assume you did you dont dig Raw Power's over all production. Just Raw Power?

And I'd go back and change it to how it was.

Like, leave it the way it is now?? Or like some rough kinda demo version?

There's a difference?

Touche!

I still don't get it? DJ used it as a reply to my reply to his "not changing time" thing, but what the hell does it mean? What am I supposed to be taking from that? **** it I hate memes sometimes.

Yeah but he'd probably ... wait for it, wait for it .... return to sender!

Taxi for Trollheart? Be right with ya mate!

****! I actually left myself open for a dad joke there. Didn't even think about that when I wrote it either. One of those blonde moments, blondes talk about having I guess....


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