Why is new/modern music so much louder?

Neapolitan · 05-04-2016, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

More like: all the long-time members have heard the "Music Was So Much Better in the Glorious Days of Yore" **** enough times that we would rather troll this thread than dignify it with a proper response.

The Loudness Wars is a legitimate thing, but it gives sixties purists too much ammo to be a compelling rallying cry. We're more concerned with those people going away than saving music.

But why is it even a legit thing when there is a volume control? I have problems where music I find online isn't loud enough like on YouTube.

I don't understand what you are getting at about Sixties purist, everyone is a purist of some sort even Metalheads.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 05-04-2016, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

But why is it even a legit thing when there is a volume control? I have problems where music I find online isn't loud enough like on YouTube.

I don't understand what you are getting at about Sixties purist, everyone is a purist of some sort even Metalheads.

What about Ke$ha fans though.

Mondo Bungle · 05-04-2016, 07:29 PM

The Batlord · 05-04-2016, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

But why is it even a legit thing when there is a volume control? I have problems where music I find online isn't loud enough like on YouTube.

I don't understand what you are getting at about Sixties purist, everyone is a purist of some sort even Metalheads.

I'm annoyed by the same thing about low volume, so the Loudness Wars doesn't bother ME at least, but a lot of people who listen to pre-Loudness Wars music get really bitchy about that ****, and use it as an excuse to complain about new music the same way that they would otherwise. Just like if they were going to complain that pop music today just isn't as good as it was in the sixties, cause the Beatles invented good music and nobody else could replicate the idea of music that isn't bad. Except they cloak that snobbery by talking about the Loudness Wars.

Neapolitan · 05-04-2016, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I'm annoyed by the same thing about low volume, so the Loudness Wars doesn't bother ME at least, but a lot of people who listen to pre-Loudness Wars music get really bitchy about that ****, and use it as an excuse to complain about new music the same way that they would otherwise. Just like if they were going to complain that pop music today just isn't as good as it was in the sixties, cause the Beatles invented good music and nobody else could replicate the idea of music that isn't bad. Except they cloak that snobbery by talking about the Loudness Wars.

I don't know if that is true.

The Beatles had their place in music history and I am not going to bash them or their fans for the sake of bashing them. Most of what The Beatles recorded on was (what Sir George Martin called) a three head tape console. Even Sgt Pepper was recorded on that, which might seem primitive by today standards. However they made best for what they had and really pushed the envelope in the recording studio for the technology they had at the time.

I've seen people pan The Beatles for having a lo-fi sound, and that is a reason they can't get into them. So the argument goes both ways. But that's not the only problem (old versus new recording technology) it also has to do with how songs back thend are arranged and the instrumentation used. I mean if you are going to talk about why one group of music fans that doesn't 't like "new" music. Loudness wars is just icining on the cake. Or vice a Versace eg. "The Beatles stinks ... btw their lo-fi records sound terrible!"

I see the "loudness wars" no different than how newer movies have less dialogue and are spammed with a **** ton of cgi. It's what corporate think the masses want so they are going to give it them, whether they like it or not.

bob_32_116 · 05-05-2016, 04:16 AM

As usual, most people are missing the point, and sometimes I suspect they do it deliberately.

See my earlier post in the thread. The problem is not volume as such, it's about dynamic compression, which is what results from trying to get an overall louder sound.

Aloysius · 05-05-2016, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

But why is it even a legit thing when there is a volume control?

It's a legit thing because when a track is mastered with brick wall limiters and the like, the sound is much worse - less dynamic range and often actual distortion (I'm not talking about intentional distortion from something like an effects pedal, but an actual loss of information).

Zitterbart · 05-05-2016, 02:28 PM

Can you really compare the loudness? Nowadays most music is digital, old music was on CD or even vinyl.

**Janszoon** · 05-05-2016, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Zitterbart

Can you really compare the loudness? Nowadays most music is digital, old music was on CD or even vinyl.

CDs are digital.

Paul Smeenus · 05-05-2016, 02:57 PM

lol

05-05-2016, 04:16 AM	#36 (permalink)
bob_32_116 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: 32S 116E Posts: 324	As usual, most people are missing the point, and sometimes I suspect they do it deliberately. See my earlier post in the thread. The problem is not volume as such, it's about dynamic compression, which is what results from trying to get an overall louder sound.

05-05-2016, 02:28 PM	#38 (permalink)
Zitterbart Groupie Join Date: May 2016 Location: Germany Posts: 22	Can you really compare the loudness? Nowadays most music is digital, old music was on CD or even vinyl.