Ninetales

Haha yeah we're just disagreeing on taste now. I cringe when people talk about "real artists" as if making chart pop isnt real music or something. I pretty much disagree with this whole quote but it's all subjective and I doubt I would be able to change your mind anyways. You like what you like.

djchameleon

I love when people that didn't grow up during a specific generation latches onto the generation like it is their own. They don't get to see every nook and granny of it.

There were most certainly pop stars that weren't artists and pretty much just props and had songs written for them in every single fucking decade.

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Fame, fortune, power, titties. People say these are the most crucial things in life, but you can have a pocket full o' gold and it doesn't mean sh*t if you don't have someone to share that gold with. Seems simple. Yet it's an important lesson to learn. Even lone wolves run in packs sometimes.

Isbjørn

Did they top every flippin' chart?

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djchameleon

yes of course they did.

You do know that one hit wonders existed in every decade right?

Edit: added a link of some one hit wonders in the 60s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States

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Fame, fortune, power, titties. People say these are the most crucial things in life, but you can have a pocket full o' gold and it doesn't mean sh*t if you don't have someone to share that gold with. Seems simple. Yet it's an important lesson to learn. Even lone wolves run in packs sometimes.

Ninetales

Why do people actively worry about this?

Soulflower

Like I said most of my favorite singers are POP stars and some of the greatest music that has been made has been made by pop stars in my opinion. So I dont have anything against popular music (generally speaking) I love ALL kinds of music and genres.

My whole post was about TODAYS mainstream music...NOT mainstream in general and looking at the so called pop stars of TODAY, I wouldnt exactly call them "real artists" because they are technically not. They dont write, produce, or contribute to their music. They lack creativity. There just brands or puppets. Thats what I was referring too.

Soulflower

I am not latching on to a generation that isnt my own or claiming to know everything from that particular generation. Regardless of how much old school music I listen to, I am still apart of this generation but alot of my musical taste comes from the music my parents exposed me to growing up which was predominately 60s, 70s and some 80s music.

In saying that, doesnt mean I am trying to claim I know everything from those eras but yes I do feel connected to them because it was a big portion of my childhood and I still admire and listen to those artists today. There is nothing wrong with liking something from a previous generation or era. People have their own taste in what they like to listen too.


I have never implied that past eras were "error free" eras of music. Of course there is low creative music from every era.

But THIS era of music is obviously alot different from past eras. This era of music has alot more of generic music more than the past.

Ninetales

Yes i know. I tend to use "chart pop" to mean stuff like Lady Gaga, Bieber, Rihanna, etc.

As to them not contributing into their own music, I think that's overexaggerated. In fact I dont think there is one artist that had no input into any of their albums. (Then again I dont really care. If I have to think of Rihanna as an entity of more than one person writing it that's fine with me. I like hearing the music and thats all I care about)

Surell

Marvin Gaye didn't write a lot of his music for awhile. The whole Motown setup was like an assembly line: Someone wrote lyrics, they got the band together, bring in a singer, if they don't work, get another. So even in the awe-inspiring 60s, a lot of mainstream artists were a part of the same kind of systems as today.

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Soulflower

You are right... but Motown was writing good songs and making good records. I considered Marvin a genius. He eventually developed into his own artist.

Ninetales made a good point too.

I personally would rather hear good music regardless if it was written by the artist or not. (I was just pointing out the drastic shift in how now you dont have to have any talent whatever to be a superstar-- whether its writing, singing, dancing etc) An an artist doesnt necessarily have to write all their music or be involved in everything but it just seems like there is no "sincerity" behind the music anymore now.