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08-29-2013, 11:27 AM
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Awards obviously mean something. They are given to people because they were deemed the best at what they do from their peers. How is it a weak argument to point out that they both tallied the same amount of choreography awards? And how was it weak to point out that he co-choreographed on one song and didn't choreograph the other?  As i've said I found Billy Jean to be fairly simple choreography. Thriller was very well done, but he didn't choreograph it by himself so perhaps the other input is what makes it iconic. Smooth Criminal was average also. I think MJ would have appreciated JT and respected his ability on every level. You dismissing his ability is the laughable part. |
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08-29-2013, 11:31 AM
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08-29-2013, 12:29 PM
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I love what you said about all the places that MJ has danced because it truly does show how much he has done and it looks AMAZING. he never looks uncomfortable or wrong or weird, he always looks good in those videos you see. JT doesn't to me. But that's not all the award's about, it's about the vids. Even then, I don't think the videos are so awesome.
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08-29-2013, 02:06 PM
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I actually thought albums like Dangerous and HIStory had more production sophistication and subject matter. He definitly grew as a songwriter with those albums. Quote:
You can form an opinion because you are entitled to. Being classically trained has nothing to do with your opinion. In other words, it doesnt make your opinion more superior than others because you are classically trained in vocals (which I actually think is cool but really means nothing in this discussion). Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and has something they can contribute whether they are classically trained in music or not. Quote:
I will say that during Michael Jackson's era awards had more meaning because their was more competition and the industry actually gave the awards to who actually deserved them. Nowadays specifically during JT's era its quite different. Awards are now based off of popularity, politics, fame and money. They are not based on the quality of the music or music video. So I dont think its good to compare the awards that MJ have versus JT because their awards reflected different things in their era of music. Quote:
I think in todays era of music, awards are based on popularity more than the quality of the music. Quote:
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The Lean alone was EPIC. The Lean alone crushes anything JT has every done LOL hahaha Quote:
I think Usher is a way better singer and dancer than JT and CB is a better dancer. JT does make better music out of the two but I did like the music Usher was making before he got all Europop. |
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08-29-2013, 02:18 PM
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08-29-2013, 02:26 PM
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I am going to check out these videos when I get some time. I do remember a couple of these videos and songs but dont remember what specifically happens in the videos. |
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08-29-2013, 02:36 PM
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Neo-Maxi-Zoom-Dweebie
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OOPS quote function done functioned. You get the point. Enjoy |
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08-29-2013, 03:18 PM
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Just to point out one thing I noticed in this discussion - I'm not invested enough in JT or MJ to discuss the rest, but - There is a difference between an opinion and an educated opinion. Not only that, but one can argue an opinion poorly or excellently, and anywhere in between, with or without training. Just because something is an opinion, does not mean it is immutable and CERTAINLY does not mean it cannot be criticised. Opinions can be formed on faulty premise, or poorly thought out, or an opinion can rely on evidence or fact that has been misunderstood. Those things make it no less an opinion, but they do call the opinion's validity into question, when compared with other opinions which may have fewer flaws in their logic.
To dismiss someone's training, in whatever field it may be, in this case singing, and to make the claim that their opinion is necessarily only as good as everyone elses, is to dismiss the fact that they've invested time, effort, and money, into an education that should allow them a greater scope of knowledge and a greater skill for articulation of their opinion. In other words, them dismissing your opinion for lack of classical training would be wrong, since your argument may be sound and conclusions good, but on the same token, you shouldn't rush to dismiss someone's education in a relevant field, just to try and bring them down. That's not to say they're right or wrong, but you shouldn't attack their credentials, especially if they are relevant and worthwhile credentials.
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08-29-2013, 03:36 PM
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Wow this was a really good point. My issue with this is when people try to argue that their opinion is more superior just because they ara a musician, have music education, etc. I think it is rather snobbish because you dont necessarily have to be trained in a certain area of music to have a good ear for it and to form a well thought out intelligent music opinion on it. People who are trained in music or musicians tend to think their opinions on music are more superior than people who are not musicians or who are not trained in music. I think its irrelevent to bring up (specialize music training) in an arguement if it has nothing to do with the discussion. If we were engaging in a discussion about classical vocals or classical music I could see the reason for someone to mention they have training in it but to just mention it in order to imply that because they have training in classical vocals/music that means their opinion is more superior is rather snobbish and irrelevant to the discussion. |
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08-29-2013, 03:48 PM
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Registered Jimmy Rustler
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That is ludacris. Someone with musical training is undoubtedly more qualified to talk about music related things he has studied. Take GuitarBiz, he is a fantastic guitar player. According to you I should value someone who has never studied the intruments opinion as much as his?
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