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Old 08-27-2013, 08:45 PM   #101 (permalink)
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^ She is overrated but she has made a much greater impact on the pop genre than Lady Gaga which was my only arguement.
She at least wrote a few pop classics and took musical risks which I cant say for 98% of the female pop artists out now.


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So much pure hate. He is a legend and he got the award/recognition not only for his solo career but also for his work with N'Sync.
Are you being sarcastic?

You really need to get out of the habit of calling posters "haters" because of their opinions because its immature. I presented rational, intelligent and legitimate reasons for my opinion.


The award is for artists who have made groundbreaking and iconic music videos and he doesnt have not one in his disography.

What music video has JT created that was a game changer for the pop genre? How has he impacted the pop genre? What classics has he created? Its much more to what makes a "legend" that seems to be a word that is thrown around. He is not a legend and he did not deserve that award.


I put this on everything... I do not remember any JT music videos

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Old 08-27-2013, 08:53 PM   #102 (permalink)
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^ She is overrated but she has made a much greater impact on the pop genre than Lady Gaga which was my only arguement.




Are you being sarcastic?

You really need to get out of the habit of calling posters "haters" because of their opinions because its immature. I presented rational, intelligent and legitimate reasons for my opinion.


The award is for artists who have made groundbreaking and iconic music videos and he doesnt have not one in his disography.

What music video has JT created that was a game changer for the pop genre? How has he impacted the pop genre? What classics has he created? Its much more to what makes a "legend" that seems to be a word that is thrown around. He is not a legend and he did not deserve that award.


I put this on everything... I do not remember any JT music videos

I didn't call you a hater. I called your opinion full of hate it sounded so personal everything that you said in the last paragraph. None of those were facts. it just sounded like you had a vendetta against him.

You don't remember any JT music videos because you choose not to remember. You have decided that you don't like him and you feel like he's not an original artist so you choose to ignore all of his music videos that have come out over time because you feel like he's ripping off of other artists and the fact that he's having a success run.
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Old 08-27-2013, 09:51 PM   #103 (permalink)
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I didn't call you a hater. I called your opinion full of hate it sounded so personal everything that you said in the last paragraph.

How was it personal?

I didnt attack him as an human being or call him out his name.

Everytime I constructively criticize an artist you always say this lol I just think its immature because everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I could see if I said Justin sucks and didnt offer any legitimiate intelligent reasoning for my opinion but I have.

I am a big Michael Jackson fan so I feel strongly about the award and who it is given too. I dont think he deserved the award.

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You don't remember any JT music videos because you choose not to remember.

So you are a mind reader now? lol How can you tell me what I can and can not remember? I dont remember any of his videos.


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You have decided that you don't like him and you feel like he's not an original
Ive said countless times on this site that JT makes pretty descent music and unlike his peers tries to be some what creative but no he is not original and no he is not one of my favorite artists. I dont know him personally to dislike him as a person.


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artist so you choose to ignore all of his music videos that have come out over time because you feel like he's ripping off of other artists and the fact that he's having a success run.
I am not ignoring any of his music videos. I do not remember any of his music videos from start to finish.

I never said he ripped off anyone. I just dont think he has made groundbreaking music videos that have changed the video medium. That is what the award is about.
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Old 08-27-2013, 10:37 PM   #104 (permalink)
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How was it personal?

I didnt attack him as an human being or call him out his name.
When you say things like this
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In 50 yrs NOBODY is not going to remember a single JT music video but they will be still looking at MJs.
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MTV gave him that award because JT is the golden boy and the all mighty "white hope".
You don't think that's a tad bit personal and that you are attacking him?

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Everytime I constructively criticize an artist you always say this lol I just think its immature because everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I could see if I said Justin sucks and didnt offer any legitimiate intelligent reasoning for my opinion but I have.

I am a big Michael Jackson fan so I feel strongly about the award and who it is given too. I dont think he deserved the award.
It's not even about you constructively criticizing an artist what you say majority of the times comes off like you have a personal grudge against the artist and goes far beyond the scope of just backing up your opinion with logical reasoning. You don't flat out say the person sucks but the way you word things you might as well just come out and say you think the person sucks. You just sugar coat it. How is that real talk when you are tip toeing around it and sugar coating stuff?





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Ive said countless times on this site that JT makes pretty descent music and unlike his peers tries to be some what creative but no he is not original and no he is not one of my favorite artists. I dont know him personally to dislike him as a person.
You have to say it again more times and remind me because it doesn't seem like you feel that way when you say some of the stuff that you have within this thread.


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I never said he ripped off anyone. I just dont think he has made groundbreaking music videos that have changed the video medium. That is what the award is about.
Have you seen the people that have won the award after Michael Jackson? Do you think they deserve the award also?
Here is the link to it:
Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 08-28-2013, 12:20 AM   #106 (permalink)
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How can Lady Gaga influenced her own generation? We both can agree that Lady Gaga copies heavily from Madonna and Madonna has influenced an entire generation herself. So in other words, those artists are probably also influenced by Madonna. I understand what you are saying but all this credit that you are giving Lady Gaga as far as influence goes really belongs to Madonna since Lady Gaga copies everything from her.

I still think Madonna was more out there than Lady Gaga. Gaga tries to be more shocking with what she wears but Madonna wrote a sex book, had multiple celebrities sexual partners (male as well as female), made shocking comments about other celebrities, herself, sexuality etc. She has did alot more shocking things. Her personality was more daring than Gaga... who is more image oriented than anything. Gagas act is way more calculated than Madonna in my opinion.
Again yes I know Gaga was influenced by Madonna (most female artists in fact are). But I am speaking of today's pop music, not pop music as a whole. Madonna is just a arrogant ass who just likes to create controversy because she is just a attention whore person. However she is far more responsible than let's say her fan LADY GAGA.

You have not really been paying attention to what Gaga has been doing. I don't recall Madonna going out (not musical related) and wear almost no clothes. I also don't recall Madonna going to a baseball and wear just a bra, spandex, and underwear.

Madonna has lost touch these days. Her best years were doing the 1980s, 1990s, early and mid 2000s. Since then, Madonna is just not the same. I speaking about Gaga as of today's pop music. I am no Gaga lover but I know she is the influence of today's pop music.

As I said, there are many Lady Gaga wannabes. It is terrible. I mean Jessie J, Miley Cyrus, and Kesha to name a few. They want to act her and look like her. I mean it is so sad. I mean they are female artists and upcoming female acts that now want to emulate Gaga. It is terrible but that is what is likely to happen. I know Gaga is overrated( I have said million times). Lady Gaga has a great voice but ruins with her nonsense whorish antics. I just wonder why Gaga can once just focus on her singing.

Real Talk, understand I am speaking of Today's pop music not pop music genre of all years. OK.
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Old 08-28-2013, 10:32 AM   #107 (permalink)
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How was it personal?

I didnt attack him as an human being or call him out his name.

Everytime I constructively criticize an artist you always say this lol I just think its immature because everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I could see if I said Justin sucks and didnt offer any legitimiate intelligent reasoning for my opinion but I have.

I am a big Michael Jackson fan so I feel strongly about the award and who it is given too. I dont think he deserved the award.




So you are a mind reader now? lol How can you tell me what I can and can not remember? I dont remember any of his videos.




Ive said countless times on this site that JT makes pretty descent music and unlike his peers tries to be some what creative but no he is not original and no he is not one of my favorite artists. I dont know him personally to dislike him as a person.




I am not ignoring any of his music videos. I do not remember any of his music videos from start to finish.

I never said he ripped off anyone. I just dont think he has made groundbreaking music videos that have changed the video medium. That is what the award is about.
I'd say JT is very similar to Jackson in alot of ways. He has a great vocal range, he always choreographs great dance routines. He has number one hits and has a number of great videos. DJ already mentioned some but you've disregarded them for some reason. The only iconic MJ video I can really think of is Thriller. Billy Jean was just him dancing around on lit up tile. Beat it was him screaming in a warehouse and having a knife fight in an alley. What really has MJ done that JT hasn't? I think JT is every bit the icon that MJ was. I'm not really much of a pop fan but hes a pretty dedicated and talented artist.
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Old 08-28-2013, 10:53 AM   #108 (permalink)
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I liked kicking JT's (the Hustler) butt in TWPTG.

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I really enjoyed his sexy back music, I used to be dancing in the clubs like him, embarrassing my friends.

I'm sorry but Madonna is over rated. I just don't see any appeal. I can also say that no one is denying that Lady Gaga is influenced by Madonna, it's a homage.
I couldn't disagree more, but that discussion should happen in a different thread. I firmly believe anyone who thinks Madonna is overrated hasn't listened to her albums Ray of Light or Music from top to bottom. Have you?

I didn't get to watch the VMAs (Turkey...time difference...blah blah blah)...and my computer is too stupid to function on the MTV website for some reason. Does anybody know a place where I could watch the whole show?

Also, from the vids I've seen so far, all I can say is the N*SYNC "reunion" was WAY too short. I don't know who's idea that was but they ****ed up a once in a lifetime opportunity.
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Typical award show that can't give out awards properly. I will always like things like this explained to me:
Video of the Year: Justin Timberlake - Mirrors
Best Male Video: Bruno Mars — Locked Out Of Heaven
Best Pop Video: Selena Gomez - Come & Get It

How does that make sense? Justin Timberlake was nominated in all three categories with his video Mirrors.
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