When is the artist no longer really the artist?

Arya Stark · 08-07-2013, 08:33 PM

I posted a really good response, but unfortunately, it didn't go through for whatever reason.

I heard an interview with r. Kelly mentioning that it's great to collab because you basically learn things you didn't know. Things are always changing, so it's awesome to collab with people who can make a song amazing that would otherwise be outdated!

Urban Hat€monger ? · 08-07-2013, 09:05 PM

I've somehow managed to go a whole decade only hearing one Kanye West song ever and that was a totally butched version of some Curtis Mayfield song that he ruined, and I'm rather proud of that fact.

He can go f*ck himself.

Arya Stark · 08-08-2013, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

I've somehow managed to go a whole decade only hearing one Kanye West song ever and that was a totally butched version of some Curtis Mayfield song that he ruined, and I'm rather proud of that fact.

He can go f*ck himself.

He's also produced a lot of music that people may not know about. You may even be a fan of some of the songs without knowing!!

TheBig3 · 08-07-2013, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I've been enjoying Kanye West's most recent album lately, and as I usually do with albums I like, I went and read the Wikipedia entry on it. In doing so I discovered that, like his previous overblown album, this current streamlined minimalistic one also involved dozens of co-producers, co-writers and other assorted collaborators. I wasn't really surprised but it did make wonder if I'm really enjoying Kanye West here or if I'm enjoying some of the other people involved. I realize this type of massive group collaboration is common in pop music, but Kanye West isn't a Britney Spears where everyone assumes the performer isn't really the mastermind. He's definitely considered the creator of his releases, and often praised for the things he does with music.

I'm bringing that up as an example, I'm not intending to talk about him specifically. My question, about artists in general, is when are they no longer really the artist? If you didn't do the majority of the writing or performing, if your primary role was simply getting a bunch of talented people in a room together, does it make any kind of sense to give you full credit as the artist?

What do you guys think?

Well, it might be his executive vision. Directors or CEOs don't do it all, either. But at the end of the day, its their name on the label. I think its harder to determine when the album is well received.

If Yeezus sucked, everyone would have no problem saying "Jesus, Kanye **** the bed on this album, huh?" And that would be justified (in my mind).

Trollheart · 08-08-2013, 05:27 AM

Another one who is, or was, great at selecting the right group of musicians to realise his vision was Alan Parsons. Although he did write and produce, so perhaps not the best example. Nevertheless, with the likes of Ian Bairnson, David Paton and even Eric Woolfson it was still always under Parsons' name, first as the Alan Parsons Project and later then just as his own name, although by then Woolfson had split with him.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 08-08-2013, 07:23 AM

Well I'm willing to be proved wrong

Franco Pepe Kalle · 08-08-2013, 07:37 AM

I would say when an artists start to copy other artists which has become a sad pattern. When that happens, you know the artist has lost his or her identity.

Look at artists (dead and alive) like Mariah Carey, Michael Jackson, Usher, Prince, and others. I mean they have done this and it led to some downhill of their careers somewhat.

Or when the artist try to do too much with their music and tries to pretend that they can do all music when it simply does not work. That is when you know the artists is the ARTIST anymore.

I got more in mind but when I do, I will explain later.

Arya Stark · 08-08-2013, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

Well I'm willing to be proved wrong

Here's a list page!
Kanye West production discography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are actually a lot of amazing songs on here that are some old faves of mine.

"You don't know my name" by Alicia Keys? COME ON, YOU HAVE TO LOVE THAT SONG.

FRED HALE SR. · 08-08-2013, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Here's a list page!
Kanye West production discography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are actually a lot of amazing songs on here that are some old faves of mine.

"You don't know my name" by Alicia Keys? COME ON, YOU HAVE TO LOVE THAT SONG.

I do love that song. I also really like the John Legend song Used to love You. I can even appreciate the Kweli song Get By. I've never understood the super stardom of KW I think his downfall at least to my ears is Overproduction. I feel like his sound is artificial and seemingly lifeless. His Rhymes bore me also.

With regard to the artist not being the artist any longer, It really boils down to the factors that Urban and Jansz were discussing. I don't believe major labels will allow the freedom they used to with artists and almost invite the collaboration aspect because they see dollar signs. I can't really fault their reasoning, but I think its more of a major act problem then it is an indie problem.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 08-08-2013, 09:32 AM

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Justin Bieber – Never Say Never – The Remixes

I LOVE this album.

Nahh just kidding

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