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Old 07-08-2013, 07:35 PM   #91 (permalink)
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Our instincts make dozens of judgments of each other each millisecond on site, but bc I'm actually less judgmental than the average person I do not expect others do it to me that much either so I'm not ashamed of my musical taste. Another reason why I'm not is bc no one has ever really complained (outside of my husband) about songs I play which has lead me to believe I have superior ear. Adding to this belief is being the only person I knew who could sing and wasn't tone deaf (besides my mother) until age 9 or so when my BF and I discovered we had equally good voices.
What I do remember being hell for me was being judged for liking Michael Jackson. All my classmates would pick on me severely for it, but they never said his music was bad. It wasn't that they were so concerned about, but his behavior.
He did make me angry at him for that. For years I thought why the feck can't he straighten up and act normal so his fans won't get sh.t for it?
I'm a horrible liar so when someone puts on something I don't like I say something, but it is never mean spirited. They act like it is though bc they think that it is their possession or like they made the song personally. (Herm knows what I'm talking about)
If someone hates "my" songs I just figure they haven't shared the same life experiences as I have or hear the same.
I'm not trying to attack you or anything, but it's interesting that you draw a conclusion that you have a "superior ear" based on the fact that no one vocalizes any objections to the music you play, then you go on to say that the reason you are vocal about your objections to other people's taste is due to being "a horrible liar".
Does it not make sense that you may not be getting the objections to your taste because others are "good liars"? Or that others may be sensitive to your feelings and don't wish to critique your taste because of [culturally] common courtesy in face-to-face human interaction?

Furthermore, are you able to confidently validate having a "superior ear" objectively and in general by using only a sample of those you have come into contact with, based on an assumption that other people are indeed not withholding their true feelings regarding the matter, much less an assumption about others based on your own perspectives and the sweeping assumption of personal taste as applicable to some objective standard to begin with?

I'm interested in any clarification you might have.
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:07 PM   #92 (permalink)
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:36 PM   #93 (permalink)
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Freebase Dali,
why should I answer to you when you do not answer my PM about somebody's (won't say who) cult thread?...
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I'm not trying to attack you or anything, but it's interesting that you draw a conclusion that you have a "superior ear" based on the fact that no one vocalizes any objections to the music you play, then you go on to say that the reason you are vocal about your objections to other people's taste is due to being "a horrible liar".
Does it not make sense that you may not be getting the objections to your taste because others are "good liars"? Or that others may be sensitive to your feelings and don't wish to critique your taste because of [culturally] common courtesy in face-to-face human interaction?
Yes, but do Americans strike you as courteous to feelings or having social etiquette like that?..
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Furthermore, are you able to confidently validate having a "superior ear" objectively and in general by using only a sample of those you have come into contact with, based on an assumption that other people are indeed not withholding their true feelings regarding the matter, much less an assumption about others based on your own perspectives and the sweeping assumption of personal taste as applicable to some objective standard to begin with?
Well even if I hate a song I can play it by ear and help others out who are trying to learn the song who keep getting the notes wrong whether in melody, bass, or middle. This has happened time and time again with friends, family, and acquaintances. In the same songs (and ones I'm indifferent about) I hear sounds and point them out that no one else has heard. These were their favorites and they never heard that part of it before and the reason why their playing it wouldn't sound quite right.

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Old 07-08-2013, 08:38 PM   #94 (permalink)
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Yes, but do Americans strike you as courteous to feelings or having social etiquette like that?..
Yes they do. And I'm saying this as someone who lives in one of the bluntest parts of the country.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:21 PM   #95 (permalink)
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Okay so maybe I have an inferior ear. What do you guys want?
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:30 AM   #97 (permalink)
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It's absolutely okay to judge someone's taste. How are they supposed to get a better taste in music?
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:34 AM   #98 (permalink)
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I'm not going to read through this whole thing, so if I'm echoing, sorry.

If you can't handle criticism, you're either a giant pussy or you didn't have any conviction in the first place. I don't care what people think of my taste because I know why I like things. Because of this, I not only don't care what people think, but I enjoy the fight. Its good to know what other people think - and fighting is how its achieved best.
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Freebase Dali,
why should I answer to you when you do not answer my PM about somebody's (won't say who) cult thread?...
It was the kind of PM that I had to include my fellow mods on because I honestly didn't know what to make of it. Judging by the lack of response, they don't either. I do like my responses to count, so when I figure it out, I will let you know.
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Yes, but do Americans strike you as courteous to feelings or having social etiquette like that?..
Absolutely. Where I grew up, it's just a given. While it may not be the most objectively truthful way to go about interaction, on the whole, I think the system of invoking a white lie by silencing inconsequential objections just generally makes social existence smoother on the whole. I do know that if we just called it like we saw it in every instance, we'd probably navigate life in a very inconvenient way.
But I'm sure there are cultures that think the opposite, and consider it rude to not say exactly what you mean. We're just not that culture where I'm from.

However, on the internet, we get to be a bit more open and have a bit of ranting without fear of a brick flying at us. Also, I don't consider roadways to be very courteous about 50 percent of the time. It's like the further you are from being face to face, the more freedom you feel to pour less sugar on interaction. Totally selfish probably. But it works well enough. Except on roadways...
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Well even if I hate a song I can play it by ear and help others out who are trying to learn the song who keep getting the notes wrong whether in melody, bass, or middle. This has happened time and time again with friends, family, and acquaintances. In the same songs (and ones I'm indifferent about) I hear sounds and point them out that no one else has heard. These were their favorites and they never heard that part of it before and the reason why their playing it wouldn't sound quite right.
I'm the same way. I've played music since I was a child, and I couldn't even tell you how to make a C minor. But I can hear it and find exactly where it is. I can hear the notes and reproduce them vocally. I hear the textures, the tones, the depth, the juxtaposed rhythms, etc. I'm an ear player and listener, Everything just internalizes in an intuitive way. That's just what we do. We pay attention to the sound, we map it in our minds intuitively, and we can reproduce it with minimal effort and without need for laborious following of written data. (obviously there's a limit here...)

I don't think it's a special talent, and I know for a fact that many people possess it. Some do not. I think it's just in the way you understand sound, and I think it's mostly dependent on how you approach it during your formative years.

With that said, I don't think I'm necessarily "superior" to anyone else. I think there are just different approaches, and some net greater outcomes depending on the goal.
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It was the kind of PM that I had to include my fellow mods on because I honestly didn't know what to make of it.
I sensed you did...

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Judging by the lack of response, they don't either. I do like my responses to count, so when I figure it out, I will let you know.
I was tired and angry.
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Absolutely. Where I grew up, it's just a given. While it may not be the most objectively truthful way to go about interaction, on the whole, I think the system of invoking a white lie by silencing inconsequential objections just generally makes social existence smoother on the whole. I do know that if we just called it like we saw it in every instance, we'd probably navigate life in a very inconvenient way.
But I'm sure there are cultures that think the opposite, and consider it rude to not say exactly what you mean. We're just not that culture where I'm from.
I love this answer and wish ppl new this about us.

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However, on the internet, we get to be a bit more open and have a bit of ranting without fear of a brick flying at us. Also, I don't consider roadways to be very courteous about 50 percent of the time. It's like the further you are from being face to face, the more freedom you feel to pour less sugar on interaction. Totally selfish probably. But it works well enough. Except on roadways...
I am one of the best drivers... I don't get mad, but when ppl make mistakes they get roadrage @ me.
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I'm the same way. I've played music since I was a child, and I couldn't even tell you how to make a C minor. But I can hear it and find exactly where it is. I can hear the notes and reproduce them vocally. I hear the textures, the tones, the depth, the juxtaposed rhythms, etc. I'm an ear player and listener, Everything just internalizes in an intuitive way. That's just what we do. We pay attention to the sound, we map it in our minds intuitively, and we can reproduce it with minimal effort and without need for laborious following of written data. (obviously there's a limit here...)
No, not everyone can do this... It wouldn't surprise me if most regular posters here could, though.

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I don't think it's a special talent, and I know for a fact that many people possess it. Some do not. I think it's just in the way you understand sound, and I think it's mostly dependent on how you approach it during your formative years.

With that said, I don't think I'm necessarily "superior" to anyone else. I think there are just different approaches, and some net greater outcomes depending on the goal.
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