The separation between the artist and his music.

Musico Nova · 04-22-2013, 04:04 AM

Depends on the purpose of life of the artist in question otherwise in general no separation

Urban Hat€monger ? · 04-22-2013, 10:32 AM

People will always find excuses to listen to things and blank out the aspects that they don't like.

Robotrock04 · 04-23-2013, 10:05 AM

Oooh good question. I'm a fan of Michael Jackson so this is something I've asked myself before. I have to admit - I do think that Michael Jackson wasn't guilty so I still enjoy his music a lot. If I were to ever read something that made me believe he was guilty though I would no longer be able to enjoy his work. Particularly because not only is the crime utterly disgusting, but its almost rubbing it in when you have songs in your discography like Heal The World.

On the other hand I do think Courtney Love may have some involvement in Kurt Cobain's death and I find it hard to listen to Hole objectively as a result. It's a shame really because I actually could see myself enjoying their work rather a lot if I believed otherwise.

I guess its an individual case thing for me really - if I think they're just a bit of an idiot (like Morrissey) then its no issue, but if I believe they're responsible for more sinister things then it becomes much harder.

Wolfi65 · 04-24-2013, 08:22 AM

To some extent, this may also be cultural.
Americans tend to have a very strong tendency to project upon their heroes and leaders - including musical stars - an almost saintly aura and need to believe that these people are innocent, good and pure as the wind driven snow.
Any allegation or proof of any character failings of any sort whatsoever will be met with utter shock and repulsion. Followed by a witch hunt.
Europeans are more likely to understand from the get-go that musicians, athletes, politicians and similar celebrity types are human and humans aren't flawless.

sopsych · 05-08-2013, 10:46 PM

A musician might just have done something heinous while not under the influence.

I don't see this posted anywhere.
As I Lay Dying singer Tim Lambesis arrested in murder-for-hire plot - CBS News
If anyone is a fan of the band, does the news change your opinion?

**Frownland** · 05-09-2013, 12:06 AM

No, As I Lay Dying still sucks.

Stephen · 06-17-2013, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sopsych

I perceive that the more ballad-oriented musicians are less likely to be cheaters.

No I'm afraid ballads were only invented to seem more sensitive and get more groupies without looking like a douche.

sopsych · 06-17-2013, 10:35 PM

I think a reasonably perceptive fan can tell a John Mayer from a Richard Marx. A guy with a conflicted attitude toward with women - hello, Bryan Adams - is harder to spot.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 06-17-2013, 10:39 PM

Who's your favourite Beatle, sopsych?

Engine · 06-17-2013, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sopsych

A musician might just have done something heinous while not under the influence.

I don't see this posted anywhere.
As I Lay Dying singer Tim Lambesis arrested in murder-for-hire plot - CBS News
If anyone is a fan of the band, does the news change your opinion?

That's hilarious. Especially because they are one of those Christian metalcore bands that were so prevalent back when metalcore was popular.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen

No I'm afraid ballads were only invented to seem more sensitive and get more groupies without looking like a douche.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sopsych

I think a reasonably perceptive fan can tell a John Mayer from a Richard Marx. A guy with a conflicted attitude toward with women - hello, Bryan Adams - is harder to spot.

What the hell? I honestly tried to figure out what this means for a couple minutes. Still no idea.

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06-17-2013, 10:35 PM	#58 (permalink)
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Musico Nova Groupie Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: India Posts: 8	Depends on the purpose of life of the artist in question otherwise in general no separation

04-23-2013, 10:05 AM	#53 (permalink)
Robotrock04 Groupie Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland Posts: 9	Oooh good question. I'm a fan of Michael Jackson so this is something I've asked myself before. I have to admit - I do think that Michael Jackson wasn't guilty so I still enjoy his music a lot. If I were to ever read something that made me believe he was guilty though I would no longer be able to enjoy his work. Particularly because not only is the crime utterly disgusting, but its almost rubbing it in when you have songs in your discography like Heal The World. On the other hand I do think Courtney Love may have some involvement in Kurt Cobain's death and I find it hard to listen to Hole objectively as a result. It's a shame really because I actually could see myself enjoying their work rather a lot if I believed otherwise. I guess its an individual case thing for me really - if I think they're just a bit of an idiot (like Morrissey) then its no issue, but if I believe they're responsible for more sinister things then it becomes much harder.

04-24-2013, 08:22 AM	#54 (permalink)
Wolfi65 Groupie Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 35	To some extent, this may also be cultural. Americans tend to have a very strong tendency to project upon their heroes and leaders - including musical stars - an almost saintly aura and need to believe that these people are innocent, good and pure as the wind driven snow. Any allegation or proof of any character failings of any sort whatsoever will be met with utter shock and repulsion. Followed by a witch hunt. Europeans are more likely to understand from the get-go that musicians, athletes, politicians and similar celebrity types are human and humans aren't flawless.

06-17-2013, 10:39 PM	#59 (permalink)
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