The Right Unpopular Opinions

Guybrush · 03-23-2013, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

To answer that I will give you this example

I used to often wonder why so many 70s bands made such awful albums in the 80s.

Then later when I would read about these bands I found out the reason for these awful albums was because of drugs, booze, bands hating each other, bands not bothered any more, bands running out of ideas, different band members recording in different continents, endless line up changes and so on and so on and so on

And when I read all of these things about why these records sucked I was not surprised in the slightest because I knew these albums were nowhere near as good as what had come before.

Back then I knew no reasons why they should be that bad or no reason to expect them to be bad before I heard them. they just were, you could hear it in the music.

And I was a person living alone with a record player on an island

Well, you could have earned those opinions the legit way. A person living alone on an island certainly would. Someone else might post that they like Deep Purple except their 80s and up output, without ever having heard it, because they've seen opinions like yours and figure it's the "right" one to have.

Perhaps they'd do it on a more subconscious level than that.

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Hate posting on my nexus.

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Not to mention that just because you weren't born when certain albums were around that you can't listen to them retrospectively. I mean, if a teenager now told me that they only loved (to keep with the prog idea) Marillion with Fish, I wouldn't just say well you weren't around when Fish was at his height. There's nothing to stop someone buying (or downloading) an artiste's full discog and then listening to them carefully over a period of weeks to be able to form an opinion as to which period, if any, they prefer.

My own personal view though is that if I were to do that with, say, Bob Marley, I'd make the point that "I've only been listening to his music for a few months but I prefer this period to that period" --- make it obvious I'm not pretending I've been into the guy for years and years.

My point here is not that people can't listen to music. The point is that people will often make it seem or sound like they've heard more of an artist than they have. Do you disagree?

And when they do, they need an opinion about that music which they've not really sat down and listened to.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-23-2013, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

Well, you could have earned those opinions the legit way. A person living alone on an island certainly would. Someone else might post that they like Deep Purple except their 80s and up output, without ever having heard it, because they've seen opinions like yours and figure it's the "right" one to have.

Perhaps they'd do it on a more subconscious level than that.

I enjoyed House Of Blue Light & Perfect Strangers

Guybrush · 03-23-2013, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

I enjoyed House Of Blue Light & Perfect Strangers

I like Perfect Strangers too

Never heard House of Blue Light.

**Janszoon** · 03-23-2013, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

To Jans and Goofle,

Of course I am aware that such opinions can be completely earned, honest and legit. Do I really need to point that out? I am more interested in discussing when they aren't is all.

Yes, I think you did need to point that out. In the OP it sounded a lot like you were saying that any teenage girl who is a Metallica fan doesn't have a valid opinion.

As far as the topic you're interested in discussing goes: Maybe I'm just hopelessly naive but I don't tend to think many people have fake music opinions. I do think people often form opinions without fully exploring an artist (most people are guilty of doing that from time to time I'd imagine), but I'm not sure I'd call that dishonest or anything.

Trollheart · 03-23-2013, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

My point here is not that people can't listen to music. The point is that people will often make it seem or sound like they've heard more of an artist than they have. Do you disagree?

And when they do, they need an opinion about that music which they've not really sat down and listened to.

Well I think it would be very hard to confirm what people knew or didn't know. How do you know they haven't come to this opinion on their own, rather than copied someone else? I talk to people seldom if ever about music (other than here) and most times all anyone would say is "I like such a song by that artist" and leave it at that. I've never got into deep discussions with people I don't know (again, other than online) about music, so no, I couldn't say that I agree with you. In fact, I don't see how you can make the assumption they don't know what they're talking about unless you go through their music collection or something?

Necromancer · 03-23-2013, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

I used to often wonder why so many 70s bands made such awful albums in the 80s.

Then later when I would read about these bands I found out the reason for these awful albums was because of drugs, booze, bands hating each other, bands not bothered any more, bands running out of ideas, different band members recording in different continents, endless line up changes and so on and so on and so on

Drugs and booze were inspiration for bands during the 70s.

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Originally Posted by tore

My point here is not that people can't listen to music. The point is that people will often make it seem or sound like they've heard more of an artist than they have. Do you disagree?

And when they do, they need an opinion about that music which they've not really sat down and listened to.

It annoys me when a lot (#) of newbies are on the boards at the same time. Most all of us have been long time members of music forums. And have already heard and repeated ourselves concerning the genology, genres, bands/artist, statistics, media, critics, etc, at least a million times or more already. I enjoy helping new members that are willing to listen and not so close minded, or too overbearing with their attitude.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-23-2013, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Necromancer

Drugs and booze were inspiration for bands during the 70s.

Until it gets out of hand.

Necromancer · 03-23-2013, 01:07 PM

And its happened so many times. Aerosmith hit the bottom (persay) during the recording of Get Your Wings for example. Black Sabbath and Never say Die. And some of the albums themselves are actually desent. Get your Wings is my favorite album by Aerosmith next to Rocks and Toys in the Attic.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-23-2013, 01:21 PM

I wouldn't say they hit rock bottom during that time. I've never heard anything to suggest that the recording of Get Your Wings was problematic before but I'm willing to accept if you know different.

It's not like it was any great secret they were constantly loaded though the 70s, they didn't get the nickname the Toxic Twins for nothing. But I would say they definitely had more problems in the early 80s than they did in the mid 70s. Both Perry and Tyler have said the reason they split back then was all down to how much drugs they were snorting.

I have a bootleg of a gig from the Rock In a Hard Place tour in 1983 when Tyler was in his worst state. He's constantly stopping & starting songs at random to babble incoherently at the audience, forgetting lyrics, hopelessly out of tune and then after 7 or 8 'songs' or attempts at songs says to the audience 'thank you and goodnight' leaving the crowd chanting 'Bullshit', 'Fuck You' and 'I want my money back'

I don't think it's a coincidence that the following year both he & Perry cleaned up, got back together and began to become a big act again.

Unknown Soldier · 03-23-2013, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tore

I like Perfect Strangers too

Never heard House of Blue Light.

I haven't heard those albums in years but can't say I much cared for either.

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

To answer that I will give you this example

I used to often wonder why so many 70s bands made such awful albums in the 80s.

Then later when I would read about these bands I found out the reason for these awful albums was because of drugs, booze, bands hating each other, bands not bothered any more, bands running out of ideas, different band members recording in different continents, endless line up changes and so on and so on and so on

And when I read all of these things about why these records sucked I was not surprised in the slightest because I knew these albums were nowhere near as good as what had come before.

Back then I knew no reasons why they should be that bad or no reason to expect them to be bad before I heard them. they just were, you could hear it in the music.

And I was a person living alone with a record player on an island

Most of these bands just ran out of creative ideas, I've always advocated that most bands have a creative lifeline before things start to go downhill. There are a number of exceptions but this I think holds true in general.

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Originally Posted by Necromancer

And its happened so many times. Aerosmith hit the bottom (persay) during the recording of Get Your Wings for example. Black Sabbath and Never say Die. And some of the albums themselves are actually desent. Get your Wings is my favorite album by Aerosmith next to Rocks and Toys in the Attic.

Don't you mean to say Draw the Line? Get Your Wings was their second album and regarded as the album that set them up for Toys and Rocks, it was their first album with Jack Douglas.

03-23-2013, 01:21 PM	#19 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I wouldn't say they hit rock bottom during that time. I've never heard anything to suggest that the recording of Get Your Wings was problematic before but I'm willing to accept if you know different. It's not like it was any great secret they were constantly loaded though the 70s, they didn't get the nickname the Toxic Twins for nothing. But I would say they definitely had more problems in the early 80s than they did in the mid 70s. Both Perry and Tyler have said the reason they split back then was all down to how much drugs they were snorting. I have a bootleg of a gig from the Rock In a Hard Place tour in 1983 when Tyler was in his worst state. He's constantly stopping & starting songs at random to babble incoherently at the audience, forgetting lyrics, hopelessly out of tune and then after 7 or 8 'songs' or attempts at songs says to the audience 'thank you and goodnight' leaving the crowd chanting 'Bullshit', 'Fuck You' and 'I want my money back' I don't think it's a coincidence that the following year both he & Perry cleaned up, got back together and began to become a big act again. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

03-23-2013, 01:07 PM	#18 (permalink)
Necromancer Divination Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,655	And its happened so many times. Aerosmith hit the bottom (persay) during the recording of Get Your Wings for example. Black Sabbath and Never say Die. And some of the albums themselves are actually desent. Get your Wings is my favorite album by Aerosmith next to Rocks and Toys in the Attic.