Well he's come back as new to me. :p:

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I'm not going to lie, I'm a sucker for flattery!

And the right price.

Really...? I don't think that Marilyn ... is the only one. Any Joe Bloggs that says "we live in a ****ed up world" I think already knows "the paradox that is society." I don't think that is unique to Marilyn... And to think about it honestly how can an artist who takes half his name from a criminal who wanted to start an apocalyptic race war garner any respect is beyond me. I'm not talking about you personally, I'm talking about Marilyn... himself and his fans.

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Damn straight.

i pretty much agree with most of that. let's just say he does most of the crazy sh*t he does to garner attention. if this is the case, not only was he successful, but he's used it as a doorway to very articulately address issues that he thinks are important. if you've ever watched any of his interviews, you'll probably believe me when i say that i don't derive my respect for him solely on his knowledge of the world being f*cked up. you are right in saying that most people would agree with the paradoxical state of society. to root out the causes and extrapolate on alternative ways of approaching one's perception to the effect that one can understand is an entirely different matter; one that marilyn manson has done some serious thinking about.

first of all, no offense to america, but it's not exactly known to the rest of the world as a mecca of culture, and music is a massive part of culture around the world.

second of all, good luck finding anyone even remotely aware of what's going on in the contemporary world of hip hop who doesn't know immortal technique.

third, no offense, but thank god for the internet, and its ability to hinder mass media's ability to force feed us what garbage they have been since its inception.

fourth, ben howard is huge in the UK.

fifth, 'famous' is a ridiculous term. it has nothing to do with artistic or personal merit the majority of the time, and the lines by which it is drawn have been blurred due to the fact that, generally speaking, people don't stock the charts with veritable information anymore because music can be attained by other means than going to the record store and purchasing a traceable object.

and lastly, if you stop trying to control things, you not only might have a way better time, you might learn something... like who one of the best hip hop artists to ever live is.

> call out America for not being a mecca of culture
> declare Immortal Technique one of the best hip hop artists to ever live

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i sure did.

try abstaining from American film, literature, and music and then tell me it has no culture.

Being intimately familiar with a culture because you're inundated with it doesn't mean it's any less unique & distinctive a culture.

it being no less unique or distinctive does not deem it a mecca either though.

i'm not arguing its contribution, but that inundation has some adverse effects... i'm primarily referring to sopsych's comment essentially stating that if it's not famous in america, it doesn't belong in this thread.

well if you're only referring to that, then i'll agree with you but most of his comments have been pretty trollish in nature so i don't give them much value.

there's a lot of **** that comes out of America, but it's also responsible for countless contributions to artistic medium. would Country, Blues, Jazz, Rock n' roll, and Rap exist without America? Can't say for certain, but it certainly does exist because of America.

couldn't agree more big fish!

you're alright zevokes :thumb:

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well that emoticon just doesn't work.

If you're going to take shots at me, get out of my thread.

I stand by what I said about those two artists. I looked them up before I even commented, and they don't seem to have had major media attention or major success anywhere. One UK album chart notwithstanding. I suppose an artist who is a household name in just English-speaking Europe would count as "famous" by my definition, but I don't think many Brits in any age group know who Ben Howard is either. (By the way, fame is only moderately connected to caliber of music. If he's great, maybe he eventually will qualify for this kind of discussion.) I don't mind a few little-known artists being mentioned in this thread, but there have been more than a few.

two last shots: one, dude, quit being so b*tchy and go play outside.

two:http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1265718

and now i'm exiting the scene, as resistance to taking shots at your dominant attitude will likely prove to be a futile endeavour!

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I for one don't care if he's telling me to get out of his thread. People who police their own threads but in reality have no authority are the worst. I will stop posting in your thread, sopych, when I feel like it.

I always thought that Paris, London and Rome were the trifecta of mecca. Then with the addition of New York that would make it the superfecta of mecca.

I think to understand America one has to know and appreciate the contributions of different people and groups that make up America. I think it wouldn't be right to either underestimate or overblown to an extreme America's contributions to arts music and culture - not that it's all perfect.

Please remember that members probably aren't as hostile as they seem.

I think some type of Country would exist hypothetically if there wasn't an America. The majority of influences that make up Country and American Folk music comes from the British Isles, Western Europe and Scandanvia.

I was going to say music like Rock n Roll, Punk, Alt-Rock, Blues, Jazz, Funk, Soul, and hip hop are definitely America artforms. And things like Metal are also dependant on America.

Techno and Electronic kinda depend on Russia and Germany because of inventors like Lev Sergeyevich Termen and bands like Kraftwerk they were the ones who pioneered electronic instruments and music.

Can I change my vote for angriest member to this Guy or is it late?

Too late, sorry. This is what happens when people feel ganged up on. Oh well. The thread was okay for a while and I learned things about musicians in the process.

If the thread doesn't get on track soon, then I hope a mod locks it.

Put it back on track then.

But I don't know how - the strange thing is, since Pink, I can't think of any famous musician I respect as a person. High standards for people, high standards for thread behavior.

Seriously though the more you let stuff bother you the more people will be inclined to mess with you. Choose your battles wisely and don't sweat the small stuff.

I think SRV was a respectable Guy as well. He over came addiction and always seemed genuinely appreciative for the greats that inspired him. Whenever he spoke, he just always came across as a kind spirited person. Always thankful for the talent he was blessed with having and able to share with others.

Maybe because your attitude is causing you to be upset?

I respect SRV because every article I read of him and every interview I've seen I got the impression that he gave his all to playing guitar. Even little things like making sure BB King got top billing on a marquee because though BB wasn't as popular at the time he was still a living legend and to Stevie deserve that respect.

I think we are missing the vitally important question here... are celebrities people?

> in-joke

My reaction hardly matters, as long as I play by the site's rules. The trouble is that other people aren't doing that, and I personally want them to leave me alone and work on the kind of good character this topic was intended to discuss.

Anyway, it's not about the music in this thread. Stevie Ray Vaughn, for what he did as a person, well, it's inspiring that he seemed to be firmly in recovery at the premature end. I hadn't credited him for that before.

He also tried to give back to others with his music, and used the stage as a tool to tell his message. Here in this video at about 4:40 into it he speaks about his addiction and the affect it had on him as a person. Then talks about where the road eventually ends if someone so chooses to continue down that path. I think he wanted to give back what he was lucky enough to have figured out and was genuine in doing it. Its to bad his life was cut short after all he over came, but he made the most of his time here, and his music will continue to live on forever. R.I.P. SRV

I respect Dave Navarro for somehow managing to bang Carmen Electra despite looking like some sort of futuristic, dystopian Jafar rip off.

R. Kelly?

Carrie Underwood

I'm not a fan of Carrie Underwood's music although I believe she has a great voice, however when I read about her on Wikipedia I was *very* impressed by her as a person. I admire Carrie for her compassion, enthusiasm, honesty, and civic activism:

* She loves animals!
During college she worked at a zoo and at a veterinary clinic. According to Wikipedia, in a 2007 interview with PETA, Underwood stated, "Ever since I was little I loved animals [...] If you told me I could never sing again, I'd say that was horrible, but it's not my life. If you told me I could never be around animals again, I would just die." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_Underwood

Another example: Underwood is a supporter of the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) and has done several public service announcements for the organization and donated money to animal shelters.

* She is vegan (she avoids animal products so that she doesn't contribute to people's harming animals and ending their lives).
Wikipedia says Carrie "stopped eating meat at the age of thirteen because she could not stand the thought of eating one of her own animals." This reminds me of how I stopped eating meat in 5th grade and was the only vegetarian I knew. I know that takes a strong internal moral compass, and so I admire Carrie for having one that turned her toward her own North, even though those around her were probably heading South.

* She gives back to her community.
"Underwood established the Checotah Animal, Town, and School Foundation in 2009. The foundation helps with general causes, needs and services in the area of Checotah to directly impact the community." She also is involved with organizations that help raise money for children, cancer research, and the American Red Cross.

* She works to end bullying. "Underwood and her husband made a video for the "Do It For Daron" campaign urging young people to stop bullying."

* She played flag football Quarterback
(*I* played football in college, too!!!)

* She is honest and not afraid to risk looking silly.
During her tryout with American Idol, she shared her chicken cluck! That moment inspired me to learn more about her on Wikipedia, because I thought not only did she sing well, but also she had the personality that allowed her to cluck like a chicken! I admire that. :) She also admitted she had a third nipple and why she had it removed (she felt self-conscious). Beautiful honesty!

Carrie Underwood's 2005 American Idol Audition
I love that she "clucks" her way into the competition! LOL! I admire her pluck. She seems like such a lovely human. Seeing her happy made me happy.


Carrie Underwood American Idol 2005 Audition - YouTube

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NOW ON THE NEGATIVE SIDE:

* I think Carrie Underwood has chosen to sing some horrible songs, such as "Before He Cheats," in which she viciously vandalizes her cheating boyfriend's car. WTF??? That's a horrible and illegal way to deal with jealousy and I don't see why she'd make a song that seems to promote such a juvenile and malicious reaction. If a man sang that song about damaging his straying girlfriend's possessions, I think people would feel really uncomfortable with that. I was surprised and disappointed that Carrie chose to sing a sexist song that promotes domestic violence.

I HATE THIS CARRIE UNDERWOOD SONG! :mad:
If I had only heard this song, "Before He Cheats," by Carrie, I would not have developed much respect for her because I'd disagree so strongly with her song choices. Luckily, I also watched her 2005 American Idol Audition video, which made me see she is more than just the musician who chose to perform this icky song.


Carrie Underwood - Before He Cheats - YouTube

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as ppl?

hard to say, i don't really follow their personal lives, i really respect the guys from the Red hot chilli peppers because of all they been through..

it's tough to maintain a band all those yrs while going through so many drug problems in their personal life.

and Now the band completely changed their sound, and in my opinion they got even better, they seem so centered now.. like they matured as ppl an as a band..

it's tough for bands to stay together so many yrs and even more so to get better & better like they have..

i really respect those guys. :)

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All 4 of them probably couldn't give 2 shits whether you like them or not but they all have remained absolutely true to their origins and have outlasted many of their contemporaries. Apart from dear old Frank.

Lemmy (Motorhead)
Mark E. Smith (The Fall)
Gil Scott Heron (The Godfather of Rap)
Frank Zappa
Just in case some of you don't know who they are.

Special mention:
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GG Allin. Who wants to be normal really?

I respect Flea but Kiedis is kind of a dickhead.

I should really add that I admire GG Allin and maybe not respect him if I was in the front row at one of his gigs!

I rarely comment on famous people from a personal perspective, since I of course do not know them. Even artists that I respect to a tremendous degree regarding their craft could very well be extraordinary douche bags, for all I know.

But if pressed, I suppose I would tentatively place the following on a list of musicians I respect as people:

Paul McCartney

Kim Deal

Thurston Moore and Kim Gordon

Theodore (of Chipmunks fame)

-Out of the Know Ghost Jam

i kinda admire him a bit too..

i admire his audacity cause he really didn't give a F%ck about anything. lol