Touche, let's agree to disagree. :)

I respect Hendrix as a person too and say that being fully aware of his shortcomings. I read a couple different books and watched several different biographies on the man. He wasn't perfect but I don't think he wanted to be perfect in any aspect of life except his music. Life was never intended for us all to be perfect and the same, and molds each of us into what fate intended for us to be all along. Some of us are a lil nicer and more stable or prosperous. But that doesn't mean you can write off the latter as unrespectable. Of course that's just my opinion

I agree with all that, and found that Jimi definitely sounds like a person I'd respect if I met him. He also came from a very broken household which I think can explain a lot of his problems.

Indeed he did, and while he had problems I still think he triumphed over a lot of potential for complete failure. I think in some cases what leaves people with certain problems in life, can also serve as the inspiration behind their creative genius. Also personality wise as well, cause given Hendrix's upbringing I'd be willing to bet based off of just what I've read and seen that he was for the underdog in life. Despite whatever vices or other problems he may have had that stemmed from his upbringing as well. For him it was like the curse that was his cure but did the good out weigh what we deem the bad enough to label him respectable? Yeah...by a longshot imo.

I agree with everything you said about Jimi. Of course he was great. I like him very much, but the thing I talked about is that: with his first big money he buys a car with all of them, and many more examples like that. He makes decisions that hasn't thought over. My best friend is exactly the same, I mean 100%, and it's a really bad part of the character and it's really hard to live with that kind of people. This is the only bad thing that I can say about Hendrix's personality, but it's enough to put him outside the top 5 most respected musicians.

He grew up in a dirt poor household, I think this was his response to the freedom he felt of suddenly have a ****load of expendable money.

Mhm, but would you say the same about Jim Morrison? I'm not intimately familiar with his childhood, but I know he went to film school at UCLA, which at least suggests he probably grew up in a stable household.

To be honest I don't know the first thing about Jim Morrison outside of his music. So I couldn't even begin to speculate.

Well, of course everything a person wants is due to something from his subconcious mind, but you shouldn't let the passions lead you. If you are a thinking man, you shouldn't make unthought decisions. We went too far. This is for the philosophical threads. The bottom line is that I have much respect for Jimi, but he has only that one part of the character which stops me putting him among the 5-6 most respected musicians.

Indeed, if we go down this path we'll just end with a "no action is genuine" and every action can be explained by a previous one mentality.

I don't think we are on the same page. You say ''every ACTION can be explained by the subconcious..'' and I say ''every NEED can be explained...''. Let's work with the current example. You NEED to buy a car, because of that poor childhood, but as a wise, thinking person you realize that it's completely wrong and you can buy a lot of much more important things with that money, so you decide not to buy the car. And that's Jimi's mistake that I'm talking about he lets what he WANTS to determine what he DOES.

Let's leave this for another thread, I don't think a weak will makes for a bad person personally, but you may think otherwise.

I love all of the members of Deeehoof. I have never seen such a fun loving modest hardworking band ever! I would love to see them sometime if I got the chance. Saaatooooooomi. <3

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Jay-Z is a very good businessman and a charitable person! It helps that he has great charisma AND great music!

^ That looks so much like a troll post :laughing:

But I know it's sincere.

Jay-Z is a bad example mate, he is slimy and ruthless as fhuck. Charity is relative as well, it's all well and good donating to charity or whatever when you're worth about 300m.

I liked ODB, I read some stories about him saving a girl from a burning car then checking into hospital under an alias to check on her, and also getting a gun off a gangster who tried to rob him and pointing it back at him, assuming both of these are true then they're great stories. He had real charisma imo. Snoop Dogg is cool as fhuck as well, he seems a genuinely nice guy, I like that wherever he tours he tries to embrace where he is, like wearing the Welsh rugby shirt in Wales, that sort of thing.

There aren't many musicians I respect though, I can't think of any anyway.

Actually Will.i.am seems alright too, although a bit pretentious.

If you're trying to be funny, it worked.

Thom Yorke because he's gonna save the world even though he's so bashful, and Tom Waits because he's also a doctor.

ODB smacked his bitch up, respect.

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Nic Blinko (with David Tibet (hat) )

Blinko is the guitarist/singer for the band Rudimentary Peni, published author, and renowned artist....he suffers from a form of Schizophrenia called Schizoaffective disorder in which the afflicted persons goes through abnormally long psychotic episodes of highly elevated depression mixed with psychosis and uncontrollable mood swings and hallucinations

so basically he is one of those crazy people you avoid when walking through city streets

but he was able to find an outlet through both music and art as a means of somewhat contriving his horrible sickness and in many ways has at least overcome it to a level of sustainability

I like R A Rahman .. He is fabulous musician...........

i could spend hours citing some of the musicians i respect as people.

immortal technique is currently at the top of the list. he's not only greatly intelligent, but he's well-versed in the history of the world and able to juxtapose that with his knowledge of current events. he's all about spreading awareness through his music and his actions. he's self-made. he's probably well-off, but he's not rich, and he uses his label in part to sustain his family life and also to go to third world countries and build schools. and he doesn't take sh*t from anyone.

zappa is another person i greatly admire as a person. he broke boundaries with his music, his philosophies, and his way of life. he never ceased to provide a sound critique on social norms and customs. he was as dedicated to helping people think for themselves as he was to writing ground-breaking music. and he didn't take **** from anyone.

ravi shankar for bringing peace and merging "us with them" on a mainstream scale.

marilyn manson for his understanding of the paradox that is society and his embodiment of his critique through his work and his willingness to say things people don't necessarily want to hear.

ben howard cuz he's just a real gentle guy.

i also have a lot of respect for maynard james keenan. this is even controversial to me, because i have a feeling he's a total egomaniac. but, he's just so damn creative. from his visual art, to his various musical projects over the years, to his relatively recent foray into the world of wine-making, the guy just never stops creating. and in his music, egocentric as he may be, he seems to always attempt a confrontation with his own psychological shortcomings and those of the world at large with an intelligent and empathic approach.

i will probably come back and add more later. there are a great many musicians in the world i can pay tribute to...

I see this thread is successful, and yet I was bored. Then I realized it's because many of the names are unknowns. Please focus on famous musicians.

The post above mostly meets the requirements.

Attention newbies: sopsych might seem grumpy at times, but he rarely means any harm and welcomes anyone who wants to make intelligent music talk.

Blinko is definitely an inspiration to me. His artwork has an almost juvenile appeal to me, and Peni is one of those bands that altered the way I look at music. The ferocity in his vocals is something that makes my hair stand up at times and i love their simplistic chord structures and catchy anthemic roots punk. Good choice Bob.

for clarification, could you please define "famous"?

John Coltrane..

:laughing:

And why the hell should people only respect famous musicians? It's your problem if you don't recognise a name. Maybe you should google these artists and learn some interesting facts.

that's kind of what i was getting at really. i figure, if i can list off a few things i respect about a person whom some people might not be aware of, those things i list might provoke the use of google, and the artist gets a bit more attention that they may not have otherwise received.

aside from that, everyone i listed has sold over a million units.

A million isn't much. Ten million, maybe. "Famous" as in household names at some point in the UK or USA, I suppose.

i'm really not trying to be argumentative. just trying to get an idea of what you're after here. so would you mind going back to my post and telling me which of those artists don't meet your criteria?

I'd rather not put a virtual dunce cap on people nice enough to post here. Oh, you just meant your post. Of that list, I'd say Immortal Technique and Ben Howard don't meet the criteria. I've never heard them, and I am guessing they have never been on standard American MTV or American radio.

Rick Wakeman - he's entertaining just when he talks, as well as being a great keyboard player.

I'm glad you see sense. :)

This is an example of a respectful and friendly new person.

zevokes isn't new. :)

I think you're just giving him leeway cause he said you were hot. ;)

Yeah Bruce Willis isn't bad on horn man.

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Almost picked this guy

Who even listens to the radio? It's full of rubbish that the masses flock to. The only station I would listen to is a classic rock station but I'm to busy to bother.