Has music become stagnant (stopped moving/evolving)?

**Janszoon** · 12-08-2012, 10:46 PM

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Lol

It was a serious question. I'm still unclear what you mean.

midnight rain · 12-08-2012, 10:46 PM

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Lol

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Lol. Some funny people here. I like that!

I see a budding future for you here.

Pursuingchange · 12-08-2012, 11:33 PM

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It was a serious question. I'm still unclear what you mean.

Ok ok. I'll restate my initial question. What I meant to ask was, has music stopped making large innovations? Has music hit a wall creatively? Do you think music, in its current form has reached the end of its creative possibilities? Have you seen large innovations that took the world by storm since Kurt Cobain popularized alternative, or since EVH popularized that style of guitar playing? I think its a valid question and I'm looking for REAL, INFORMED, NO-NONSENSE answers.

**Janszoon** · 12-08-2012, 11:53 PM

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Ok ok. I'll restate my initial question. What I meant to ask was, has music stopped making large innovations? Has music hit a wall creatively? Do you think music, in its current form has reached the end of its creative possibilities?

No, no, and no. Though, historically I don't know how many innovations I'd describe as "large", I certainly don't see a decrease in innovation overall.

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Have you seen large innovations that took the world by storm since Kurt Cobain popularized alternative, or since EVH popularized that style of guitar playing?

Not sure how to answer this since I don't agree with the assumptions you're making. Kurt Cobain didn't single-handedly popularize alternative, and even if he had, I don't see how simply popularizing something that already exists is particularly innovative. As far as Eddie Van Halen goes: He was certainly influential, but is his guitar style really a "large innovation"? I'd say not really.

TheBig3 · 12-09-2012, 12:09 AM

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But "evolving" doesn't it mean it's getting better, it just means it's changing over time. To say it's "de-evolving" is kind of meaningless.

Unless it means its changing to a permutation its already experienced.

Neapolitan · 12-09-2012, 12:33 AM

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Ok ok. I'll restate my initial question. What I meant to ask was, has music stopped making large innovations? Has music hit a wall creatively? Do you think music, in its current form has reached the end of its creative possibilities? Have you seen large innovations that took the world by storm since Kurt Cobain popularized alternative, or since EVH popularized that style of guitar playing? I think its a valid question and I'm looking for REAL, INFORMED, NO-NONSENSE answers.

The idea of what is an important "Innovation" is generally only relevant to a certain demographic during a certain time period.

Take the approach of Rock docs for instance, a lot of them just showcases one particulat person, band or event, but it doesn't tell the whole story. There is a certain timeline and outline that is accepted and anything that falls outside of that isn't mentioned. Saying somthing like only one guitar player e.g. Kurt Cobain or Eddie Van Halen started it all and done it all is "causal reductionism." They have their place in music history, I don't think their contributions should be overblown but then again I don't think they should be underestimated either.

Pursuingchange · 12-09-2012, 05:44 AM

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No, no, and no. Though, historically I don't know how many innovations I'd describe as "large", I certainly don't see a decrease in innovation overall.

Not sure how to answer this since I don't agree with the assumptions you're making. Kurt Cobain didn't single-handedly popularize alternative, and even if he had, I don't see how simply popularizing something that already exists is particularly innovative. As far as Eddie Van Halen goes: He was certainly influential, but is his guitar style really a "large innovation"? I'd say not really.

You and I are talking on two totally different levels. You are seeming to break everything down to its most basic (trivial) components and are not seeing it the way I'm seeing it. Sure, technically Eddies Van Halen's guitar thing was nothing 'new' in every sense of the word. Just as Michael Jackson's dancing was technically nothing new, I think everyone here knows that. But it was the style, the sound, the way they did it. They owned it. It sparked new energy on many different levels. EVH's guitar style pretty much set the entire stage of what rock became after that. There are only a few of those people throughout history who have "it" factor to cause true innovation.

Please don't pick apart what I just said man and try to come up with some cunning and witty rebuttal to it just for the sake of sounding smart like everyone else who uses the internet nowadays does. They'll sit there at their computer and think to themselves "what's a good way to word this that will make me seem so intelligent?" because trust me, that's how you've come off to me so far. I think you know full well what I'm saying here about the music thing anyway.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 12-09-2012, 06:13 AM

In the past decade Dizzee Rascal bought an underground movement to the mainstream and spawned loads of imitators just as much as you're giving Kurt Cobain & Eddie Van Halen credit for, so why are you not giving him any credit ?

There's something in the past 10 years for you that 'Broke the mould'.

mr dave · 12-09-2012, 06:46 AM

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To say it's "de-evolving" is kind of meaningless.

I believe these guys have a couple of words for you on the whole concept of de-evolution

**Janszoon** · 12-09-2012, 08:10 AM

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You and I are talking on two totally different levels. You are seeming to break everything down to its most basic (trivial) components and are not seeing it the way I'm seeing it. Sure, technically Eddies Van Halen's guitar thing was nothing 'new' in every sense of the word. Just as Michael Jackson's dancing was technically nothing new, I think everyone here knows that. But it was the style, the sound, the way they did it. They owned it. It sparked new energy on many different levels. EVH's guitar style pretty much set the entire stage of what rock became after that. There are only a few of those people throughout history who have "it" factor to cause true innovation.

Please don't pick apart what I just said man and try to come up with some cunning and witty rebuttal to it just for the sake of sounding smart like everyone else who uses the internet nowadays does. They'll sit there at their computer and think to themselves "what's a good way to word this that will make me seem so intelligent?" because trust me, that's how you've come off to me so far. I think you know full well what I'm saying here about the music thing anyway.

Yeah, you're bitching that things aren't as good as they used to be and expecting people to just agree with you. Problem is you aren't making the case very well and apparently get upset when someone responds to the examples you're trying to use.

12-09-2012, 06:13 AM	#58 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	In the past decade Dizzee Rascal bought an underground movement to the mainstream and spawned loads of imitators just as much as you're giving Kurt Cobain & Eddie Van Halen credit for, so why are you not giving him any credit ? There's something in the past 10 years for you that 'Broke the mould'. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.