Has music become stagnant (stopped moving/evolving)?

Pursuingchange · 12-15-2012, 10:20 PM

I see other very good answers on the previous page. However, if it seems like I'm slow to respond to some of them, its because I'm accessing this forum via my iphone and I live in a low service area. So I apologize.

sopsych · 12-15-2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pursuingchange

Hey, I wanted to comment on your post.

So, I sort of agree and disagree. I understand that there may be bands or artists out there that continually (try to) push the envelope. But then you made the statement that "you just have to look for them". I wish I had a penny for every time I've heard this. If something is truly ground breaking, you shouldn't have to go looking for it to no avail. It would more than likely be well-known. Today, I just don't see that kind of innovation you got from The Beatles, Zeppelin, MJ, EVH, Hendrix, etc... I kind of feel like its not really our fault either. It was easy to innovate in the earlier days because there was still tons of undiscovered styles and sounds. But I kind of feel like we've discovered it all. How else can you explain how stagnant popular music has become?

Lack of new instruments. But I agree with the rest of the paragraph, especially the good-music-becomes-popular reasoning and "we've discovered it all." (Maybe bands could experiment with more sharing of lead vocals.) Stick around and don't let people goad you into spouting off.

And there I can say that some, er, influential veterans seem to like toeing the line without actually crossing it and have other members say harsher things (possibly 'infractable') on their behalf and then watch the subjects of derision get mad. When is that going to change? If (ironic since the subject is about music getting stale) it feels stale in here, why not instead get enjoyment from assimilating more forum visitors?

Black Francis · 12-15-2012, 11:55 PM

i do see your point that basically everything has been done before but i only agree to an extent..

First of all, not every music artist wants to be a radical and "redefine" what is music. and second of all with time everything will be a given.

For a time Marylin Manson was shocking, now we are used to Him, you are also focusing in mainstream music, Bands everybody knows so you are following the majority's taste in music..

now i ask you, aren't most of the bands we love not popular ones?

Rock history may tell me Jimmy hendrix was a innovator but i still prefer Joey santiago..

What good is innovation if you can't make a good tune?

What you consider innovation is subjective, Music artists Have their own vision apart from yours and they innovate within that.

Pursuingchange · 12-16-2012, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

i do see your point that basically everything has been done before but i only agree to an extent..

First of all, not every music artist wants to be a radical and "redefine" what is music. and second of all with time everything will be a given.

For a time Marylin Manson was shocking, now we are used to Him, you are also focusing in mainstream music, Bands everybody knows so you are following the majority's taste in music..

now i ask you, aren't most of the bands we love not popular ones?

Rock history may tell me Jimmy hendrix was a innovator but i still prefer Joey santiago..

What good is innovation if you can't make a good tune?

What you consider innovation is subjective, Music artists Have their own vision apart from yours and they innovate within that.

Now your talking! That's exactly the kind of answer I was looking for! I think your mostly right. Although, I must say, I don't know why someone would get into music if they didn't want to be creative or innovative. I kind of feel that it is my obligation as a musician to not allow music to deteriorate or lack. My thinking is "full speed ahead". I'm just at a loss for new ideas right now because I think music (esprecially rock) is basically used up. I think the reason it has faded and lacks new innovators is simply becayse there's nowhere else to go with it. And honestly, another generation of rock bands and guitar players would even give ME a sick stomach. I think people have grown tired of the same o same o rock band with a guitar player scenario. As much as I love it, I know I have. But what, if anything, would take its place? And how could one ever possibly invent a new instrument that would ever have the impact tht the electric guitar had? These questions lead me to the innevitable conclusion that music is basically dead. Innovation is that thing that happened in history, it doesn't happen in this day.

Pursuingchange · 12-16-2012, 12:54 AM

It also kind of seems like we've seen it all. We've heard every tuning, we've seen all the weirdest, wildest, and coolest things one could do with a guitar. We witnessed the most spectacular stage shows, we've heard countless variations of every style imaginable. I just don't see what other vectors or avenues of musical creativity there are left to conquer. Someone please tell me I'm stupid for thinking this.

Bloozcrooz · 12-16-2012, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

Rock history may tell me Jimmy hendrix was a innovator but i still prefer Joey santiago..

What good is innovation if you can't make a good tune?

Is that suggesting that Hendrix didn't have good tunes?

Urban Hat€monger ? · 12-16-2012, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sopsych

And there I can say that some, er, influential veterans seem to like toeing the line without actually crossing it and have other members say harsher things (possibly 'infractable') on their behalf and then watch the subjects of derision get mad. When is that going to change? If (ironic since the subject is about music getting stale) it feels stale in here, why not instead get enjoyment from assimilating more forum visitors?

Show me where it's happening and I'll stop it

Neapolitan · 12-16-2012, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bloozcrooz

Is that suggesting that Hendrix didn't have good tunes?

...and Joey Santiago was influence by Jimi Hendrix.

Black Francis · 12-16-2012, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bloozcrooz

Is that suggesting that Hendrix didn't have good tunes?

no not really, my point is that most ppl think Jimmy hendrix is a big deal but i don't..

So while they see him as an innovator i don't

im obligated to give Jimmy his props of course i do recognise his mark in music history but my true point, what is innovation if you don't recognise it as so?

I find more innovation in other artist than in Jimmy hendrix yet those artist will be never recognised as great Jimmy but they are the ones who influenced my music taste.
And to me.. They ARE Innovators and have pushed music to evolve and if @PC Doesn't see it that way, it doesn't make him right

@Pursuingchange

Do not mess with the formula, cause it works!

Bloozcrooz · 12-16-2012, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

...and Joey Santiago was influence by Jimi Hendrix.

I hope he was joking actually..I'm just going to assume that he was. Liking Santiago over Hendrix is crazy enough, but to insinuate Hendrix didn't make good music is well...laughable.

12-15-2012, 10:20 PM	#131 (permalink)
Pursuingchange Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 139	I see other very good answers on the previous page. However, if it seems like I'm slow to respond to some of them, its because I'm accessing this forum via my iphone and I live in a low service area. So I apologize.

12-15-2012, 11:55 PM	#133 (permalink)
Black Francis Out of Place Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: in an abstract house Posts: 4,111	i do see your point that basically everything has been done before but i only agree to an extent.. First of all, not every music artist wants to be a radical and "redefine" what is music. and second of all with time everything will be a given. For a time Marylin Manson was shocking, now we are used to Him, you are also focusing in mainstream music, Bands everybody knows so you are following the majority's taste in music.. now i ask you, aren't most of the bands we love not popular ones? Rock history may tell me Jimmy hendrix was a innovator but i still prefer Joey santiago.. What good is innovation if you can't make a good tune? What you consider innovation is subjective, Music artists Have their own vision apart from yours and they innovate within that.

12-16-2012, 12:54 AM	#135 (permalink)
Pursuingchange Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 139	It also kind of seems like we've seen it all. We've heard every tuning, we've seen all the weirdest, wildest, and coolest things one could do with a guitar. We witnessed the most spectacular stage shows, we've heard countless variations of every style imaginable. I just don't see what other vectors or avenues of musical creativity there are left to conquer. Someone please tell me I'm stupid for thinking this.