Pink Floyd used alot of noises as a part of their music.Speak To Me,the beggining of Time and Money, those transition between songs in Wish You Were Here.... and some parts of The Wall too.
Even though all of those songs parts, and the whole song "Speak To Me" are only noises, they are still considered music.

That's what's great about making music. You get to create your own rules

There are no RUles anything goes

Great post.

I guess it could be said that we didn't invent the laws of music, we observed and took note of them.

But then again, I guess the laws were based around what sounded "good" or "right", and that's completely subjective. Or is it?

The sound isn't made with the instruments, no, but John Cage wanted the sound of the music to be in the listener's world around them. In it's original setting, he wanted the audience to hear sounds of the orchestra room. So there.

Yeah, that sounds like pretentious nonsense to me. An interesting experiment, but still, pretentious nonsense.

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EDIT: Well... it seems Batlord has beat me to the punch. Well played. You're lucky I'm not the bitter kind of moderator who would lose his shit and ban you.

I personally don't consider 4'33 to be music, even if it is a written piece.

I view it more as a message than as music, but it inevitably devolves into the art semantics debate when the matter is pushed.

I think he wanted to say "There is sound all around us, all of the time. There is no such thing as silence. The sounds can be as beautiful as music." And that's exactly the point he made with 4"33. He has so many more wonderful pieces it's really a shame people latch onto this one and associate him exclusively with it.