What "musical point"? I don't listen to music to hear what point the artiste is trying to make: that's often clear from the title, if needed, or else from the first verse. It's seldom any song would go over six minutes before the artiste "made their point". Don't understand what you mean there.
Yeah, but then you apply that logic to ALL longer songs? If they go over your stated maximum length then they MUST all be songs that sound the same all the way through, so no point listening? Have you heard Iron Maiden's "Rime of the ancient mariner"? All thirteen minutes of it?
It's fine to multitask when listening to music, if that's your thing, though I prefer to listen as closely as I can. That's not to say I just sit there and do nothing else (I'm usually typing) but unless it's the album I'm reviewing or part of the piece I'm writing I usually find music can distract from my flow of thought, and thereby from the writing. But sometimes music just should be "soaked in", and for that the longer pieces do come into their own.

You can bring a horse to water but ye can't make him drink.

Trollheart and I are on the same page point by point.

These comments are all as referred to OP, not you Vegangelica (WB!); I understand where you're coming from more than OP because my friend is the same way. But like I said earlier, there's always a time and a place for this sort of thing, where it's appropriate. Like car rides or doing chores around the house.

I don't feel like quoting it but the fact that OP said he tries to tune out the music that he is trying to listen to... it's a /facepalm "I give up before I really begin trying to help" moment.

I'm sure that this will turn out to be a phase later on. Maybe not, but there's a chance that something will break the barriers, but it's up to the listener.


Maybe the "Right Long Song" has not appeared...yet.

To be fair if the only long songs I had heard were by Richard Marx, Guns n Roses & The Eagles I'd probably hate all long songs too.

Yeah but that's what I don't understand: it doesn't happen that way.
If you hear a bad metal song (in your opinion) do you decide that's it, no more metal for me? It's as mad as saying that song was too long, so I won't listen to any more long songs. I just cannot wrap my head around it at all. What difference does it matter if the song lasts 2 minutes, 20 minutes or 2 hours? If I hate it, then it doesn't matter how long/short it is, I won't listen to it, but it won't stop me listening to others of the same length, and vice versa.

The only two reasons I look at length with songs is 1) when reviewing, as I like to see what's the shortest and longest songs, and if they deserve to be and 2) when an album has few tracks, I expect at least one of them to be over 10 minutes to make it worth while buying. Also, if I'm enjoying a song for the first time and haven't noted its length, I will probably look to see how much longer there is to go.

Other than that, I couldn't give a
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Now if we could just get you to apply this same line of thinking to all the "street music" you refuse to give a chance we'd be getting somewhere. :)

Like what, Jansz? I'm open-minded enough musically, but I do know certain styles of music I don't like: punk, hip-hop, gangsta rap, death metal and so on, so there's probably little point in trying any of those. I have, let's see, about close to a terabyte of a music collection on the PC, with perhaps half of that music I have yet to listen to, so I'm careful about what I try out.

Knowing my tastes, if you have anything you think I'd like and want to shoot my way, feel free, but remember I hate death vocals and I'm just not able to get into rap, does nothing for me at all.

Incidentally, I'm looking for guest reviewers for the journal: interested? ;)

I don't know, I'm just paraphrasing a comment I saw you make about why you've never listened to trip-hop I believe.

Heh. You're dismissing absolutely massive swaths of the music out there in these remarks. You don't see the parallels to what the OP is saying? How is "I'm just not able to get into rap" any different from "I'm just not able to get into long songs"?

Sure thing. Send me something and I'd be happy to do a little write up. :)

I very much agree with this and thank her for making the points so well. (It figures that the first two bands on her profile's list are two I like a lot.)

Also, to reply to someone else...
Yes, in that case, I would. Edited versions often are inferior to the original. If only most of the extremely long songs were editable....

By the way, I have a similar attitude toward movie length - except there it's a rule more than guideline (very long means no, won't even start).

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Psst, there probably isn't any 6-minute Richard Marx song :) It would be hard for me to excuse a solo artist making such a long tune.

^You responded to the only person who agreed with you and refused to respond to anybody who is against your opinion. Yeah, i'm done with this thread.