Anyone Else Dislike Most Long Songs?

**Janszoon** · 08-23-2012, 12:27 PM

I have to admit I can't stand Dio's voice either. Sorry, TH.

Trollheart · 08-23-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I have to admit I can't stand Dio's voice either. Sorry, TH.

Jansz, that's totally cool. But the difference is you say "I can't stand his voice", which is an opinion, yours, and you're certainly allowed to have it. That's your right. Wisdom, though, says "Dio is a lousy singer", which while also being the wrong tense as the man is dead (but leaving that aside as semantics) is put over as a fact, not an opinion, as if there's nothing else anyone could see him as being.

I hate, as you know, death vocals, so anyone like Dimmu Borgir, Slipknot et al do nothing for me, but I wouldn't say they don't have good singers. They dont appeal to me, Dio doesnt appeal to you. No problem. It's an opinion, we all have them. It's when someone tries to force their opinion down your throat, leaving no room for differences, and also tries to back up a plainly unbackupable (I know that's not a word) fact with research, that it annoys me. No matter your choice or opinion, Dio was hailed as one of the most important voices in metal, and thats what any research will turn up. Trying to twist that to fit his arguement is where wisdom fell down.

Also, he has extended the Dio part of this to ridiculous proportions, almost moving away from the original idea of the thread. And like his arguements, it's twisting and changing as it goes. Funny really I suppose, sad in another way.

Key · 08-23-2012, 02:35 PM

I think we should all hold hands and sing songs while I play some guitar. I'm not exactly too bothered by wisdom even if his rebuttals are a bit on the odd side. Though, I don't think he went about it the right way either. I mean, wisdom, you set up a question in a thread that would more than possibly cause a debate, and you're surprised it happened? Just try to remember that we want to protect our opinion as much as you want to. It's not an attack, it's debating.

FRED HALE SR. · 08-23-2012, 02:40 PM

I go through fazes where i listen to epic/long/extended songs. But there also times where I just want to listen to a punk record that lasts in its entirety 18 minutes.

And DIO'S voice is awesome. I'm gonna play Holy Diver tonight and annoy my girlfriend with it.

Unknown Soldier · 08-23-2012, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

No matter your choice or opinion, Dio was hailed as one of the most important voices in metal, and thats what any research will turn up. Trying to twist that to fit his arguement is where wisdom fell down.

Also, he has extended the Dio part of this to ridiculous proportions, almost moving away from the original idea of the thread. And like his arguements, it's twisting and changing as it goes. Funny really I suppose, sad in another way.

Wisdom is not remotely interested in hearing what people into heavy music think of Dio, his mind is already made up. Here is somebody with a limited knowledge of a genre, making silly comments that are totally unsubstantiated. I mean anybody with half a brain, would hardly enter into a debate and use examples like "Dio's voice is too boring to last 6 minutes" "Metal songs over 6 mins are boring" "I can't understand for the life of me, why metal vocalists are revered for their powerful voices" The last statement must rank as one of the silliest I've seen since I joined this forum.

sopsych · 08-23-2012, 03:31 PM

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You don't seem to know too much about 70's music either, the longer song was usually the norm rather than the exception.

Actually, I do know that - although I'm not sure many 6+ minutes songs were common on the airwaves then.

Yes, I stand by Dio as a "lousy singer." I believe there are some near-absolutes when it comes to evaluating voice quality. There are many female singers (for example, Adele) who don't sound good to my ears, but their voice quality isn't the issue. Unfortunately, here I would need another stooge to try to better explain things - I hardly know technical terms. Anyway, power, schmower - heck, if a voice is powerful, that could magnify any grating elements. [shakes head at some tastes] Not that Dio was worse when letting loose. I'd rather hear a nice voice with mediocre strength than a strong, irritating voice. Powerful voice to sing over loud guitars and drums?

Do I like "power metal"? It's a vague term to me. More specifically, I like hair metal. Yeah, that. I don't claim much of it has artistic merit, just like I'm implying Dio and most long songs aren't musically impressive.

*"stooge" is a joke for my own amusement

Unknown Soldier · 08-23-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wisdom

Actually, I do know that - although I'm not sure many 6+ minutes songs were common on the airwaves then.

The early to mid 1970s was the era of prog and it also dominated the charts as well, most avid music listeners of the time knew most of these bands as well. Music listeners were therefore fully exposed to long songs and most rock groups including metal bands usually experiemnted with them. It was only in the late 1970s and the arrival of punk etc that song length really brought short songs back into fashion.

Mrd00d · 08-23-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Jansz, that's totally cool. But the difference is you say "I can't stand his voice", which is an opinion, yours, and you're certainly allowed to have it. That's your right. Wisdom, though, says "Dio is a lousy singer", which while also being the wrong tense as the man is dead (but leaving that aside as semantics) is put over as a fact, not an opinion, as if there's nothing else anyone could see him as being.

I hate, as you know, death vocals, so anyone like Dimmu Borgir, Slipknot et al do nothing for me, but I wouldn't say they don't have good singers. They dont appeal to me, Dio doesnt appeal to you. No problem. It's an opinion, we all have them. It's when someone tries to force their opinion down your throat, leaving no room for differences, and also tries to back up a plainly unbackupable (I know that's not a word) fact with research, that it annoys me. No matter your choice or opinion, Dio was hailed as one of the most important voices in metal, and thats what any research will turn up. Trying to twist that to fit his arguement is where wisdom fell down.

Also, he has extended the Dio part of this to ridiculous proportions, almost moving away from the original idea of the thread. And like his arguements, it's twisting and changing as it goes. Funny really I suppose, sad in another way.

Yes. I can see why you carry on Trollheart. I understand. I'm living vicariously through your posts because I agree on all points still. Just wanted to remind you that you're not alone, but maybe it is time to never come back to this thread, despite what nonsense is spewed. Can't feed the troll, Trollheart.

**Janszoon** · 08-23-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

The early to mid 1970s was the era of prog and it also dominated the charts as well, most avid music listeners of the time knew most of these bands as well. Music listeners were therefore fully exposed to long songs and most rock groups including metal bands usually experiemnted with them. It was only in the late 1970s and the arrival of punk etc that song length really brought short songs back into fashion.

And it wasn't just rock with longer songs in the 70s, disco and funk had no shortage of 6+ minute songs as well.

bob. · 08-23-2012, 06:04 PM

Industrial hailed from the 70s and is a genre that is certainly known for the extreme length of their songs

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

I go through fazes where i listen to epic/long/extended songs. But there also times where I just want to listen to a punk record that lasts in its entirety 18 minutes.

And DIO'S voice is awesome. I'm gonna play Holy Diver tonight and annoy my girlfriend with it.

DIO....breaking up relationships sins 1975

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Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	I think we should all hold hands and sing songs while I play some guitar. I'm not exactly too bothered by wisdom even if his rebuttals are a bit on the odd side. Though, I don't think he went about it the right way either. I mean, wisdom, you set up a question in a thread that would more than possibly cause a debate, and you're surprised it happened? Just try to remember that we want to protect our opinion as much as you want to. It's not an attack, it's debating.

08-23-2012, 02:40 PM	#234 (permalink)
FRED HALE SR. Neo-Maxi-Zoom-Dweebie Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: So-Cal Posts: 3,752	I go through fazes where i listen to epic/long/extended songs. But there also times where I just want to listen to a punk record that lasts in its entirety 18 minutes. And DIO'S voice is awesome. I'm gonna play Holy Diver tonight and annoy my girlfriend with it.