Anyone Else Dislike Most Long Songs?

Key · 08-20-2012, 03:01 PM

To be fair to the OP, not all short songs are bad. I mean...this is pretty fantastic:

Riverside - Reality Dream II - YouTube

Trollheart · 08-20-2012, 04:05 PM

To be fair to us, I don't think any of us (apart from Janz, and that was obviously in jest) said short songs are bad. I don't think any of us think that. I like a lot of short songs, some are great, but it really has no bearing on whether I enjoy a song or not. Except that if I'm really enjoying a song I'm disappointed when it isn't long enough. The reverse does not apply.

Still, I must ask wisdom: having listened (I don't know how far but) to the Rainbow and Threshold song, do you not now realise that your argument is flawed? Had you come across these songs on your own, it appears from your posts here that you would have discounted them as "too long" and not even bothered listening to them. Now that you have, can you not see what a fallacy it is to refuse to even give a song a chance, just because it's too long? Is this not a sort of musical racial profiling?

(note the BIG wink: NOBODY accuse me of hatecrime or anything here please, surely we're not that bloody stupid?)

As for Mostly Autumn and No-Man, why are they boring? Because they're not big exciting openings like the others? But how do you know they don't BECOME that way? They don't but even so... Do you consider anything soft and quiet to be boring? If so then that further limits your scope as to what you may enjoy musically in the future. Go back to "Boh rhap", say it wasn't a well-known classic. Would you still discount it as having a "boring" opening because it's only piano and not listen to it? But then look at what you'd be missing. Can you not see how empty your premise is, how it does not, nay can not work?

Is it just that you're not into prog rock, which is the direction you seem to be aiming most of your criticism about long tracks? If so then fine, not everyone is. But that doesn't invalidate those songs, nor any outside that genre.

Key · 08-20-2012, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

To be fair to us, I don't think any of us (apart from Janz, and that was obviously in jest) said short songs are bad.

Yeah, I have absolutely no problem with short songs. Sometimes they're good for a starter track like an instrumental or an opener. Sometimes it's not necessary, but I don't think it's bad when band have songs that are less than 3 minutes. Ever since I got into post-rock and prog though, I seem to prefer it when a song exceeds 6 minutes. I don't hate it if it doesn't exceed that, I just seem to enjoy it more, because there's more to enjoy.

sopsych · 08-20-2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

To be fair to us, I don't think any of us (apart from Janz, and that was obviously in jest) said short songs are bad. I don't think any of us think that. I like a lot of short songs, some are great, but it really has no bearing on whether I enjoy a song or not. Except that if I'm really enjoying a song I'm disappointed when it isn't long enough. The reverse does not apply.

Still, I must ask wisdom: having listened (I don't know how far but) to the Rainbow and Threshold song, do you not now realise that your argument is flawed? Had you come across these songs on your own, it appears from your posts here that you would have discounted them as "too long" and not even bothered listening to them. Now that you have, can you not see what a fallacy it is to refuse to even give a song a chance, just because it's too long? Is this not a sort of musical racial profiling?

(note the BIG wink: NOBODY accuse me of hatecrime or anything here please, surely we're not that bloody stupid?)

As for Mostly Autumn and No-Man, why are they boring? Because they're not big exciting openings like the others? But how do you know they don't BECOME that way? They don't but even so... Do you consider anything soft and quiet to be boring? If so then that further limits your scope as to what you may enjoy musically in the future. Go back to "Boh rhap", say it wasn't a well-known classic. Would you still discount it as having a "boring" opening because it's only piano and not listen to it? But then look at what you'd be missing. Can you not see how empty your premise is, how it does not, nay can not work?

Is it just that you're not into prog rock, which is the direction you seem to be aiming most of your criticism about long tracks? If so then fine, not everyone is. But that doesn't invalidate those songs, nor any outside that genre.

My argument isn't perfect, but I think it's still a good argument.

I didn't listen past the first minute of any of those songs. Because in Rainbow's case, I know the band and the only style I like was with Joe Lynn Turner. Threshold - well, it seems like the band never was that popular, and there's usually a reason for that. Besides, upbeat rock songs rarely resonate with me emotionally. "Okay" is not enough for me to spend more than six minutes on when I have better things to do. The other two songs leads to another pronouncement I figured out a few days ago - if I dislike the beginning of a song, there's almost no chance I will like the whole of it.

I can like soft songs (e.g., "Hold on My Heart," by Genesis and "I'm Not the One," by The Cars), but soft songs that go on and no, probably not.

Freebase Dali · 08-20-2012, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wisdom

My argument isn't perfect, but I think it's still a good argument.

I didn't listen past the first minute of any of those songs. Because in Rainbow's case, I know the band and the only style I like was with Joe Lynn Turner. Threshold - well, it seems like the band never was that popular, and there's usually a reason for that. Besides, upbeat rock songs rarely resonate with me emotionally. "Okay" is not enough for me to spend more than six minutes on when I have better things to do. The other two songs leads to another pronouncement I figured out a few days ago - if I dislike the beginning of a song, there's almost no chance I will like the whole of it.

I can like soft songs (e.g., "Hold on My Heart," by Genesis and "I'm Not the One," by The Cars), but soft songs that go on and no, probably not.

I stopped reading after "I didn't listen past the first minute of any of those songs."
I'm sure you had something really great to say afterward, but my pre-conceptions got the better of me.
Sorry bro.
If only I could read entire paragraphs.

**Janszoon** · 08-20-2012, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

I stopped reading after "I didn't listen past the first minute of any of those songs."
I'm sure you had something really great to say afterward, but my pre-conceptions got the better of me.
Sorry bro.
If only I could read entire paragraphs.

sopsych · 08-20-2012, 10:46 PM

Ha, well, I listened to more of the Threshold song. It's technically impressive and not as upbeat as I thought, but it feels disjointed and only the weird harmony near the middle resonated emotionally.

Key · 08-20-2012, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wisdom

My argument isn't perfect, but I think it's still a good argument.

I didn't listen past the first minute of any of those songs. Because in Rainbow's case, I know the band and the only style I like was with Joe Lynn Turner. Threshold - well, it seems like the band never was that popular, and there's usually a reason for that. Besides, upbeat rock songs rarely resonate with me emotionally. "Okay" is not enough for me to spend more than six minutes on when I have better things to do. The other two songs leads to another pronouncement I figured out a few days ago - if I dislike the beginning of a song, there's almost no chance I will like the whole of it.

I can like soft songs (e.g., "Hold on My Heart," by Genesis and "I'm Not the One," by The Cars), but soft songs that go on and no, probably not.

You're making it really hard to take your posts seriously. You didn't even bother listening to the whole song? Even Vegangelica listened to the whole song before she made her conclusion about it. And I find it interesting how you can judge a song based on the beginning. If you know anything about prog and i'm assuming you don't, the beginning of the song doesn't always mean the rest of the song is going to sound like that.

Mrd00d · 08-20-2012, 11:30 PM

officially finished after " it seems like the band never was that popular, and there's usually a reason for that. " on top of not listening to whole recommendations. What chance do we have if you won't give us a chance.

Sumonchy · 08-21-2012, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki

Ever since I got into post-rock and prog though, I seem to prefer it when a song exceeds 6 minutes. I don't hate it if it doesn't exceed that, I just seem to enjoy it more, because there's more to enjoy.

I agree with you.

But, why everybody busy here with songs length? Is this a ultimate matter of listening songs?

08-20-2012, 04:05 PM	#162 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	To be fair to us, I don't think any of us (apart from Janz, and that was obviously in jest) said short songs are bad. I don't think any of us think that. I like a lot of short songs, some are great, but it really has no bearing on whether I enjoy a song or not. Except that if I'm really enjoying a song I'm disappointed when it isn't long enough. The reverse does not apply. Still, I must ask wisdom: having listened (I don't know how far but) to the Rainbow and Threshold song, do you not now realise that your argument is flawed? Had you come across these songs on your own, it appears from your posts here that you would have discounted them as "too long" and not even bothered listening to them. Now that you have, can you not see what a fallacy it is to refuse to even give a song a chance, just because it's too long? Is this not a sort of musical racial profiling? (note the BIG wink: NOBODY accuse me of hatecrime or anything here please, surely we're not that bloody stupid?) As for Mostly Autumn and No-Man, why are they boring? Because they're not big exciting openings like the others? But how do you know they don't BECOME that way? They don't but even so... Do you consider anything soft and quiet to be boring? If so then that further limits your scope as to what you may enjoy musically in the future. Go back to "Boh rhap", say it wasn't a well-known classic. Would you still discount it as having a "boring" opening because it's only piano and not listen to it? But then look at what you'd be missing. Can you not see how empty your premise is, how it does not, nay can not work? Is it just that you're not into prog rock, which is the direction you seem to be aiming most of your criticism about long tracks? If so then fine, not everyone is. But that doesn't invalidate those songs, nor any outside that genre. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

08-20-2012, 11:30 PM	#169 (permalink)
Mrd00d Stoned and Jammin' Out Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Northern California; Eugene, OR; mobile Posts: 1,602	officially finished after " it seems like the band never was that popular, and there's usually a reason for that. " on top of not listening to whole recommendations. What chance do we have if you won't give us a chance. __________________ Mrd00d's Last.fm

08-20-2012, 03:01 PM	#161 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	To be fair to the OP, not all short songs are bad. I mean...this is pretty fantastic: Riverside - Reality Dream II - YouTube

08-20-2012, 10:46 PM	#167 (permalink)
sopsych Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: indoors Posts: 722	Ha, well, I listened to more of the Threshold song. It's technically impressive and not as upbeat as I thought, but it feels disjointed and only the weird harmony near the middle resonated emotionally.