Anyone Else Dislike Most Long Songs?

Rjinn · 08-20-2012, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

Music that is good is formulaic? That is possibly the most narrow minded and disappointing post I have read in this forum within the last year.

Not to mention unenlightened, and "you can't suck the fun out of anything more".

rostasi · 08-20-2012, 01:46 PM

It would make sense that he'd think formulaic music is the primo stuff 'cause
he seems to be hooked into the idea that mass-produced/-listened to music
must be the grand good thing that the good capitalists want us to believe is our Vitamin C -
the music that plays well within the "3 and 5 minutes in length" that he so cherishes.
"...radio and music television wouldn't be so full of 3-5 minute songs if that weren't the public's preference..."

I'm off to write my novel which, as everyone knows, will only be good if I keep it between 213 and 294 pages.

sopsych · 08-20-2012, 02:01 PM

The Rainbow starts out strongly. The Threshold song starts out well (I like a mix of powerful guitar and keyboards). The other two songs begin boring and that's the end for me. I think non-prog rock should be exempt from my claim about long songs not starting "nicely," since electric guitar played by a professional almost always is decent (to anyone who likes electric guitar) and that's how most rock songs start. But a long song needs much more than respectable guitar to be good, and too much guitar can be grating. A long song probably needs better playing and often more instruments to be as enjoyable a listen as a shorter song.

As for "formulaic," I didn't say I like songs that are particularly formulaic. Of the songs I love, 4:30 probably is about their average length - it seems to allow for experimentation without getting too far from the formula of what's pleasing to the human ear.

rostasi · 08-20-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wisdom

For the most part, music that is good follows a vague formula or maybe one of a few formulas. Long songs tend to disregard that.

Key · 08-20-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wisdom

The Rainbow starts out strongly. The Threshold song starts out well (I like a mix of powerful guitar and keyboards). The other two songs begin boring and that's the end for me. I think non-prog rock should be exempt from my claim about long songs not starting "nicely," since electric guitar played by a professional almost always is decent (to anyone who likes electric guitar) and that's how most rock songs start.

I honestly don't understand you.

Have you listened to every rock song and gotten enough information to make a claim about the entire genre? Have you listened to all the sub genres and noticed that not all rock sounds the same? You're also starting to take genres out of your argument and still trying to claim that you know what you're talking about.

Burning Down · 08-20-2012, 02:39 PM

Can we all just agree to disagree here?

Key · 08-20-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down

Can we all just agree to disagree here?

I disagree.

Trollheart · 08-20-2012, 02:46 PM

I agree with Ki.

**Janszoon** · 08-20-2012, 02:47 PM

You know what I hate? Short songs.

Trollheart · 08-20-2012, 02:58 PM

Admittedly, the song has to be good. I mean, ten minutes of THIS? No thanks!

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08-20-2012, 01:46 PM	#152 (permalink)
rostasi . Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,007	It would make sense that he'd think formulaic music is the primo stuff 'cause he seems to be hooked into the idea that mass-produced/-listened to music must be the grand good thing that the good capitalists want us to believe is our Vitamin C - the music that plays well within the "3 and 5 minutes in length" that he so cherishes. "...radio and music television wouldn't be so full of 3-5 minute songs if that weren't the public's preference..." I'm off to write my novel which, as everyone knows, will only be good if I keep it between 213 and 294 pages.

08-20-2012, 02:01 PM	#153 (permalink)
sopsych Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: indoors Posts: 722	The Rainbow starts out strongly. The Threshold song starts out well (I like a mix of powerful guitar and keyboards). The other two songs begin boring and that's the end for me. I think non-prog rock should be exempt from my claim about long songs not starting "nicely," since electric guitar played by a professional almost always is decent (to anyone who likes electric guitar) and that's how most rock songs start. But a long song needs much more than respectable guitar to be good, and too much guitar can be grating. A long song probably needs better playing and often more instruments to be as enjoyable a listen as a shorter song. As for "formulaic," I didn't say I like songs that are particularly formulaic. Of the songs I love, 4:30 probably is about their average length - it seems to allow for experimentation without getting too far from the formula of what's pleasing to the human ear.

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