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08-20-2012, 11:47 AM | #144 (permalink) | |
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To perhaps quote Janszoon: good grief! So your new criterion is that if the song was a hit it's exempt from your logic? Oh, most long songs start off badly (I'm aware I'm not quoting you verbatim, but the spirit is the same) unless they're hits? Because, of course, if they're hits then it's far harder for you to prove your premise. That's just ridiculous. If you have a conviction then it should stand, or fall, regardless of the popularity of a song, or its lack of same.
But you asked for them, so here they are: four long song which were not hits, which you probably don't know (and in all likelihood won't listen to all the way through) which start off well. First is Rainbow's "A light in the black", a classic metal tune from 1976 with the late, great Ronnie James Dio on vocals. Total time: 8:13. You can't call that not interesting. Powerful, heavy drumming and guitars from the very start, and it more or less continues the same all the way through, with a superb guitar solo from Ritchie Blackmore at 2:40 which goes on to 6:09, that's almost 4 minutes --- wasted? On a guitar solo? Are you seriously telling me that were that solo taken out, the song reduced to 4 minutes and change, that the song would benefit from it? Then there's Mostly Autumn, prog rock band who have so far as I know never had anything close to a hit single. This is called "The gap is too wide". Total time 11:39. Opens with a gentle aoustic guitar then swelling strings, into a gorgeous violin piece with no vocals coming in until almost a minute and a half in. A slow start, but uninteresting? Really? You would not feel an urge to hear how the song develops? This is prog metal band Threshold, with a song called "Narcissus", total time 11:17. After a powerful guitar opening it settles into a great little groove which changes halfway through, a nuance you would completely miss if you decided it was too long and stopped listening, as it seems you would. Finally, this is No-Man, whose song "Truenorth" is gentle piano mostly throughout, but does change as it goes along. Total running time 12:52. None of these songs are well-known outside their fanbase, and outside of people who enjoy this sort of music, but I think they adequately illustrate the point that your claim that "most long songs start badly" (again, not a direct quote, don't sue me) is just totally unresearched, unsupported and, well, just wrong. If you want to find examples of songs that DO start badly (again, subjective so how would you prove it?) feel free, however in this as in everything to do with music there are exceptions, so for every song you could find that starts "badly" I can find two that start "well". Doesn't prove I'm right if I say most long songs start well, but then, I didn't say that, so really, over to you, wisdom. The burden of proof, as they say, is on you. Quote:
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08-20-2012, 11:48 AM | #145 (permalink) |
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Oh for the love of the great good God! How can you seriously make a claim like that? Do you know how many fans the genre has? How popular it is? How dare you assume you know what "most people" like, or don't! How arrogant!
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08-20-2012, 11:49 AM | #146 (permalink) |
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I'm still waiting to be convinced that the length of the song is a deciding factor, because regardless of the debate i'm in with wisdom and vegangelica, I have still been given no proof to believe that it has anything to do with how one listens to music. If it's just personal preference, I can understand that. But i'm not seeing any proof.
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08-20-2012, 01:13 PM | #150 (permalink) |
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Seconded. Surely most bands who consider themselves true musicians strive to break out of formulaic music, and those who stick to the formulas are generally regarded boring or static? To my mind, formulaic is probably one of the worst accusations you can level at any artiste.
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