NEWGUY562

I totally agree..sure they had a few great songs but they were an act.

Neapolitan

Some of the musician who were part of the Wrecking Crew were the Monkees studio musicians including Joe Osborn, and there was nothing fake about them or Joe Osborn - one my favorite studio musicians. These are some of the songs he also played bass on... I guess by your standards all of these are all fake too?

1961 - Rick Nelson - Travelin’ Man - 1
1965 - Gary Lewis & The Playboys - This Diamond Ring - 1
1965 - Barry Maguire - Eve Of Destruction - 1
1966 - Mamas & Papas - Monday Monday - 1
1966 - Johnny Rivers - Poor Side Of Town - 1
1967 - Association - Windy - 1
1969 - Fifth Dimension - Wedding Bell Blues - 1
1969 - Tommy Roe - Dizzy - 1
1970 - Carpenters - Close To You - 1
1970 - Neil Diamond - Cracklin’ Rose - 1
1970 - Partridge Family - I Think I Love You - 1
1970 - Simon And Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water - 1
1972 - Helen Reddy - I Am Woman - 1
1973 - Carpenters - Top Of The World - 1
1973 - Helen Reddy - Delta Dawn – 1
1974 - Carpenters - Please Mr. Postman – 1

1964 - Johnny Rivers - Memphis - 2
1965 - Gary Lewis & The Playboys - Count Me In - 2
1965 - Gary Lewis & The Playboys - Save Your Heart For Me - 2
1967 - Mamas & Papas - Dedicated To The One I Love - 2
1968 - Association - Never My Love - 2
1968 - Richard Harris - Macarthur Park - 2
1970 - Carpenters - Superstar - 2
1970 - Carpenters - We’ve Only Just Begun - 2
1970 - Fifth Dimension - One Less Bell To Answer - 2
1971 - Carpenters - Rainy Days And Mondays - 2
1972 - Carpenters - Hurting Each Other - 2
1973 - Carpenters - Yesterday Once More - 2
1976 - England Dan & John Ford Coley - I’d Really Love To See You Tonight – 2

1966 - Johnny Rivers - Secret Agent Man - 3
1967 - Johnny Rivers - Baby I Need Your Lovin’ - 3
1968 - Fifth Dimension - Stone Soul Picnic - 3
1968 - Monkees - Valleri - 3
1969 - Bobby Sherman - Little Women - 3
1971 - Carpenters - For All We Know - 3
1973 - Carpenters - Sing - 3
1973 - Helen Reddy - Leave Me Alone – 3

1965 - Gary Lewis & The Playboys - Everybody Loves A Clown - 4
1966 - Mamas & Papas - California Dreamin’ - 4
1967 - Scott Mackenzie - San Francisco - 4
1974 - America - Tin Man - 4
1975 - Carpenters - Only Yesterday – 4

1962 - Rick Nelson - Teenage Idol - 5
1962 - Rick Nelson – Young World - 5
1966 - Mamas & Papas - Words Of Love - 5
1967 - Mamas & Papas – Creeque Alley - 5
1968 - Grass Roots - Midnight Confession - 5
1968 - Kenny Rogers & The First Edition - Just Dropped In - 5
1970 - Bobby Sherman - Julie - Do You Love Me - 5
1974 - Neil Diamond - Longfellow Serenade - 5
1975 - America - Lonely People - 5
1977 – Kenny Rogers - Lucille – 5

1962 - Rick Nelson - It’s Up To You - 6
1964 - Rick Nelson – For You - 6
1966 - Mamas & Papas - I Saw Her Again - 6
1966 - Tommy Roe - Hurray For Hazel - 6
1969 - Kenny Rogers & The First Edition - Ruby - 6
1969 - Neil Diamond - Holly Holy - 6
1970 - Barbra Streisand - Stoney End - 6
1972 - Johnny Rivers - Rockin’ Pneumonia - 6
1971 - Partridge Family - Doesn’t Somebody Want To Be Wanted – 6

1965 - Johnny Rivers - Seventh Son - 7
1967 - Fifth Dimension - Up Up And Away - 7
1969 - Simon & Garfunkel - The Boxer - 7
1971 - Tommy Roe - Stagger Lee - 7
1972 - Carpenters - Goodbye To Love – 7

1966 - Gary Lewis & The Playboys - Green Grass - 8
1968 - Boyce & Hart - I Wonder What She’s Doin’ Tonight - 8
1969 - Tommy Roe - Jam Up - Jelly Tight - 8
1972 - America - Ventura Highway - 8
1972 - Fifth Dimension - Didn’t Get To Sleep At All - 8
1975 - Helen Reddy - No Way To Treat A Lady – 8

1961 - Rick Nelson - Hello Mary Lou - 9
1964 - Johnny Rivers - Mountain Of Love - 9
1967 - Spanky & Our Gang - Sunday Will Never Be The Same - 9
1969 - Bobby Sherman - La La La - 9
1970 - Bobby Sherman - Easy Come Easy Go - 9
1971 - Grass Roots - Sooner Or Later - 9
1971 - Partridge Family - I’ll Meet You Halfway - 9
1973 - Art Garfunkel - All I Know - 9
1973 - B.W. Stevenson - My Maria - 9
1974 - Helen Reddy - You And Me Against The World - 9
1975 - Austin Roberts - Rocky - 9
1978 - England Dan & John Ford Coley - We’ll Never Have To Say Goodbye Again - 9
1982 - Sylvia - Nobody – 9

1967 - Johnny Rivers - Tracks Of My Tears - 10
1968 - Association – Everything That Touches You - 10
1970 - Mark Lindsay - Arizona - 10
1972 - Fifth Dimension - If I Could Reach You - 10
1976 - England Dan & John Ford Coley - Nights Are Forever – 10

1961 - Rick Nelson - A Wonder Like You - 11
1970 - Kenny Rogers & The First Edition - Somethin’s Burnin’ - 11
1974 - Carpenters - I Won’t Last A Day Without You - 11

1963 - Rick Nelson - Fools Rush In - 12
1964 - Johnny Rivers - Maybelle - 12
1968 - Cass Elliott - Dream A Little Dream - 12
1971 – Fifth Dimension - Never My Love - 12
1972 - Carpenters - It’s Going To Take Some Time - 12
1972 - Austin Roberts - Something’s Wrong With Me - 12
1973 - Helen Reddy - Peaceful - 12
1976 - Carpenters - There’s A Kind Of Hush – 12

1966 - Gary Lewis & The Playboys - My Heart Symphony - 13
1968 - Fifth Dimension - Sweet Blindness - 13
1971 - Helen Reddy - I Don’t Know How To Love Him - 13
1972 - Partridge Family - I Woke Up In Love This Morning - 13

1967 - Johnny Rivers - Summer Rain - 14

1966 - Gary Lewis & The Playboys - Paint Me A Picture - 15
1969 - Grass Roots - I’d Wait A Million Years - 15
1971 - Grass Roots - Temptation Eyes - 15
1974 - Helen Reddy - Keep On Singing – 15

1961 - Rick Nelson – Ever Lovin’ - 16
1967 - Fifth Dimension - Go Where You Wanna Go - L 6
1971 - Grass Roots - Two Divided By Love - 16
1971 - Bobby Sherman - Cry Like A Baby - 16
1981 - Carpenters - Touch Me When We’re Dancin’ – 16

1968 - Spanky & Our Gang - Like To Get To Know You - 17
1970 - Kenny Rogers & The First Edition - Tell It All Brother - 17
1975 - Carpenters - Solitaire – 17

1976 - Art Garfunkel - I Only Have Eyes For You – 18

1966 - Johnny Rivers - Muddy Water - 19
1968 - Gary Lewis & The Playboys - Sealed With A Kiss - 19
1969 - Kenny Rogers & The First Edition - But You Know I Love You - 19
1970 - Glen Campbell - Honey Come Back - 19
1971 - Fifth Dimension - Love Lines Angels & Rhymes - 19
1976 - Helen Reddy - Somewhere In The Night - 19
1982 - Michael Murphy - What’s Forever For – 19

1965 - Johnny Rivers - Midnight Special - 20
1967 - Mamas & Papas – Twelve Thirty - 20
1969 - Fifth Dimension - Workin’ On A Groovy Thing - 20
1970 - Michael Parks - Long Lonesome Highway - 20
1972 - Partridge Family - It’s One Of Those Nights - 20
1977 - Olivia Newton John - Sam – 20

1967 – Gary Lewis & The Playboys - Where Will Words Come From - 21
1970 - Fifth Dimension - Blowing Away - 21
1977 – England Dan & John Ford Coley - It’s Sad To Belong – 21

1975 - Helen Reddy - Emotion – 22

1967 - Grass Roots - Things I Should Have Said - 23
1967 - Tommy Roe - It’s Now Winter’s Day - 23
1969 - Glen Campbell - Try A Little Kindness - 23
1977 - England Dan & John Ford Coley - Gone Too Far - 23

1966 - Mamas & Papas - Look Through My Window - 24
1967 - Scott Mackenzie - Like An Old Time Movie - 24
1969 - Grass Roots – Heaven Knows - 24
1970 - Fifth Dimension - Puppet Man - 24
1970 - Bobby Sherman - Hey Mr. Sun – 24

1963 - Rick Nelson - String Along - 25
1969 - Fifth Dimension - California Soul - 25
1970 - Mark Lindsay - Silver Bird – 25

1976 - Carpenters - I Need To Be In Love - 26
1964 - Rick Nelson - The Very Thought Of You - 26
1965 - Johnny Rivers - Where Have All The Flowers Gone - 26
1967 - Glen Campbell - By The Time I Get To Phoenix - 26
1967 - Mamas & Papas - Glad To Be Unhappy - 26
1969 - Glen Campbell - Where’s The Playground Suzie - 26
1970 - Kenny Rogers & The First Edition - Reuben James - 26

1968 - Boyce & Hart - Alice Long - 27
1970 - Glen Campbell - All I Have To Do Is Dream - 27
1970 - Fifth Dimension - Save The Country – 27

1966 - Grass Roots - Where Were You When I Needed You - 28
1969 - Grass Roots - Bella Linda - 28
1972 - Partridge Family - Breaking Up Is Hard To Do – 28

1968 - Fifth Dimension - Carpet Man - 29
1969 - Tommy Roe - Heather Honey - 29
1971 - Bobby Sherman - The Drum – 29

1968 - Spanky & Our Gang - Sunday Morning - 30
1969 - Cass Elliott - It’s Getting Better – 30

1967 - Spanky & Our Gang – Makin’ Every Minute Count - 31
1969 - Grass Roots - The River Is Wide - 31
1971 - Glen Campbell - Dream Baby - 31
1974 - Albert Hammond - I’m A Train – 31

1970 - John Philips - Mississippi - 32
1973 - Fifth Dimension – Living Together, Growing Together - 32
1977 - Carpenters - Calling Occupants Of Interplanetary Craft – 32

1966 - Johnny Rivers - Under Your Spell Again - 33
1970 - Kenny Rogers & The First Edition - Heed The Call - 33
1976 - Olivia Newton John - Don’t Stop Believin’ – 33

1967 - Fifth Dimension - Paper Cup - 34
1972 - Grass Roots - Glory Bound - 34
1973 - Neil Diamond - Be - 34
1974 - Art Garfunkel - Second Avenue – 34

1969 - Glen Campbell – True Grit - 35
1970 - Grass Roots - Baby Hold On - 35
1973 - America - Don’t Cross River - 35
1975 - Helen Reddy - Bluebird - 35
1977 - Carpenters - All You Can Get From Love – 35

1968 - Glen Campbell - I Want To Live - 36
1969 - Glen Campbell - Let It Be Me - 36
1969 - Cass Elliott - Make Your Own Kind Of Music – 36

1972 - Fifth Dimension - Together Let’s Find Love – 37

1974 - Art Garfunkel - I Shall Sing - 38
1975 - Johnny Rivers - Blue Suede Shoes – 38

1967 - Boyce & Hart - Out And About - 39
1968 - Association - Time For Lovin’ - 39
1968 - Glen Campbell - Gentle On My Mind - 39
1972 - Grass Roots – The Runaway - 39
1973 - Partridge Family - Look Through The Eyes Of Love – 39

1966 - The Turtles - You Baby - 40

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Forward To Death

The Wrecking Crew isn't the Monkees, they also had all their music written for them. The Monkees themselves were fake. Some of the music wasn't bad though, objectively.

Neapolitan

CCR weren't from the UK they were from California.

I didn't say the Wrecking Crew were the Monkees. I said 'Some of the musician who were part of the Wrecking Crew were the Monkees studio musicians.' And again some of the writers were also well known and had other hits besides the ones they wrote for the Monkees. You said "everything" about the Monkees was fake. The studio musician were real studio musicians, the song-writers were real song-writers.

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NEWGUY562

The Monkees as a group were fake..they didn't write any of their hits..they had fake accents and were an put together by the industry type of act.

Neapolitan

The premise was fake, but the band was still a rock band - maybe more so in the end. Yes, they started out not really knowing thier instruments but they stride to learn them.

As far as their accents yeah they were real too, Mike Nesmith was from Texas and as hard as it might seem he had real Texas draw/accent - I don't know why people think he would fake a Texas draw/accent - who would do that??? And yeah Davy Jones resided in the US but he was born in Greater Manchester, now if he was immitating Liverpudian accent or trying to sound like some bloke from the east end - I don't know you got me on that. But for all practical purposes it was some kind of English accent which make sense since he was born there.

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Forward To Death

The Wrecking Crew has nothing to do with the band, so yeah they were still fake. They tried to do their own stuff and it sucked.

And you misread or something about CCR, I never said they were British. They are most certainly not Chicago style blues, either.

Neigh-Sayer

My dad was a huge fan, so I grew up hearing these guys. I liked them when I was younger, but maybe that's just nostalgia because I haven't really listened to them in years.

Neapolitan

You could say the Wrecking Crew (as a whole unit by that title) has nothing to do with the band, but the musician that played on the Mokees albums were part of the Wrecking Crew, I just mentioned it as a way showing their creditials. The studio musician that played for The Monkees also played for other Pop/Rock bands during the same time period - it's not sensible to say the Monkees were fake musicwise but not the other artist who employed the same musicians. To me there music is just as good as those other bands and I really don't worry too much about which artist or what group used studio musicians in the 60's - a lot of them did.

Hey me too, I still listen to them from time to time.

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Forward To Death

The Beach Boys did, but the difference is they also wrote their own stuff, Brian did. The Monkees were not only using studio musicians, their music and lyrics were written for them by the best artists, they were assembled to basically look cool and be popular. A lot of my favorite funk was done by musicians from The Funk Brothers, but that's entirely different. The Monkees were just singers, that was the only part of their success they were responsible for, and I can't really respect that.

I think studio musicians are great though, I liked the Monkees' music, just as I like a lot of that Phil Spector stuff, which was all done by studio musicians as well. I don't really have a high respect for the artists of those songs, as much as I do the music/song itself.