Favourite debut album

~~Itunesucks~~ · 05-31-2012, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by anticipation

Never understood this. Wu-Tang Forever is absolutely miles and miles ahead of 36 Chambers in almost every way and yet people always say their debut is their best offering. Don't make no sense.

Oh no no, you like Forever? It's barely listenable. 36 Chambers is raw,everyone shines, production is near perfect, hooks are memorable, more memorable one liners, more impactful, no lame ass music videos (Just saying Triumph is pretty gangsta).

Not arguing, just giving you my point of view for 36 Chambers.

**Goofle** · 05-31-2012, 11:17 AM

We are allowed to argue. I place them both on the same level to be honest.

Plankton · 05-31-2012, 11:17 AM

Although I have quite a few favorites, Satch's first (Not Of This Earth) will always have a special place in my heart just for the sheer boldness of it. In a time where MC Hammer and Michael Jackson ruled the airwaves, Joe took to the task of creating an all guitar album, and delivered with rave reviews. The man had, and still does have some big cahona's. He's pretty good with a guitar too.

Joe Satriani - The Enigmatic - YouTube

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 05-31-2012, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by anticipation

Never understood this. Wu-Tang Forever is absolutely miles and miles ahead of 36 Chambers in almost every way and yet people always say their debut is their best offering. Don't make no sense.

Forever is good, I just don't think I would have been able to get it unless I had listened to 36 Chambers first. I have to agree that 36 is just in general more memorable than anything on Forever. Then again, it might just be nostalgia.

anticipation · 05-31-2012, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Itunesucks

Oh no no, you like Forever? It's barely listenable. 36 Chambers is raw,everyone shines, production is near perfect, hooks are memorable, more memorable one liners, more impactful, no lame ass music videos (Just saying Triumph is pretty gangsta).

Not arguing, just giving you my point of view for 36 Chambers.

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Originally Posted by Forever-a-Cone

Forever is good, I just don't think I would have been able to get it unless I had listened to 36 Chambers first. I have to agree that 36 is just in general more memorable than anything on Forever. Then again, it might just be nostalgia.

I think it has a lot to do with the fact that everyone and their mother hypes 36 Chambers to no end. In my eyes their debut was a show of what they would come to be, both lyrically and production wise while Forever was their opus, and feels more cohesive and ill. I can recite 3/4 of Forever word for word and enjoy it loads more than 36 Chambers, which is not to say that I don't love the debut but I've never understood the hype aside from the obvious nostalgia/influence argument. And anyone who thinks that the rhymes on 36 Chambers are objectively better than Forever needs to get their head checked

Guybrush · 05-31-2012, 12:40 PM

Kate Bush's debut album is also pretty astounding (imo). The songs here are written by her during her teens, some of them while she was as young as 12 years old. These are beautiful melodies. She wrote so many songs during her teen years (200+) that her first three albums all contain material from this period and many of them became hits. Still, I think the debut album contains the cream of the crop.

Aside from Kate and her beautiful voice and piano, the album is produced by Andrew Powell who really did a good job and, I feel, got the best out of Kate. I actually think he did a better job producing her albums than she did herself in the mid 80s.

Wuthering Heights is the most famous song from the album which was inspired by a movie adaptation of Emily Bronte's famous novel by the same name. It's a great song, but here's another favourite, the title track which is a controversial song about lovers who happen to be brother and sister - forbidden love which leads to a pregnancy which leads to a suicide. Quite a dramatic subject, but yet it's delicately handled by such a young songwriter.

This song appears in some pre-debut demos I have so it was probably written when she was 15 or 16. Just one example of many beautiful songs she wrote way back then.

Unknown Soldier · 05-31-2012, 01:04 PM

As great as her debut was, I always thought the follow-up Lionheart was even better, it was full of the material that was ignored for the debut as it was seen as less accessible. It was Kate Bush at her weirdest.

Guybrush · 05-31-2012, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

As great as her debut was, I always thought the follow-up Lionheart was even better, it was full of the material that was ignored for the debut as it was seen as less accessible. It was Kate Bush at her weirdest.

I don't think it's quite as strong as her debut, feeling it was perhaps a little rushed, but it's still a great album. I think of her three first, I actually prefer them in chronological order. Kick Inside, Lionheart, Never for Ever

Gucci Little Piggy · 05-31-2012, 01:40 PM

King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King

These guys were an awesome prog rock band from the very beginning, they ddidn't even need to evolve because they struck gold the very first time. This one is, together with Red and Discipline, their best album and it's pretty obvious why. Lake is just an awesome singer, this album doesn't have any actual downsides and it had enough variation to stay interesting. 21st Centruy Schizoid Man got me at hello, the very first 5 seconds of overwhelming horns made me love King Crimson already and the other tracks didn't make me think any less of it. I Talk to the Wind is quite a touching song, Epitaph is the second climax to the album, opening with an overwhelming, outlandish guitar riff, and going into calm mode afterwards. It's probably the best thign King Crimson has ever done, with an amazing buildup, an overall awesome composition and with one of Lake's strongest performances vocally. Moonchild is the oddball track (not the last one they made, to say the least), that lulls you asleep with little improvised guitar riffs and keeps you awake with random sounds after a little ballad. And then there's the finale, which is one of grandeur to say the least. What's there to say about it? It's just epic, case closed. Overall, I think that no one has made such a perfect debut as King Crimson. Simple as that.

Unknown Soldier · 05-31-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tore

I don't think it's quite as strong as her debut, feeling it was perhaps a little rushed, but it's still a great album. I think of her three first, I actually prefer them in chronological order. Kick Inside, Lionheart, Never for Ever

I'm just the opposite Never For Ever, Lionheart, Kick Inside

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Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	Kate Bush's debut album is also pretty astounding (imo). The songs here are written by her during her teens, some of them while she was as young as 12 years old. These are beautiful melodies. She wrote so many songs during her teen years (200+) that her first three albums all contain material from this period and many of them became hits. Still, I think the debut album contains the cream of the crop. Aside from Kate and her beautiful voice and piano, the album is produced by Andrew Powell who really did a good job and, I feel, got the best out of Kate. I actually think he did a better job producing her albums than she did herself in the mid 80s. Wuthering Heights is the most famous song from the album which was inspired by a movie adaptation of Emily Bronte's famous novel by the same name. It's a great song, but here's another favourite, the title track which is a controversial song about lovers who happen to be brother and sister - forbidden love which leads to a pregnancy which leads to a suicide. Quite a dramatic subject, but yet it's delicately handled by such a young songwriter. This song appears in some pre-debut demos I have so it was probably written when she was 15 or 16. Just one example of many beautiful songs she wrote way back then. __________________ Something Completely Different

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Gucci Little Piggy Music Addict Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 315	King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King These guys were an awesome prog rock band from the very beginning, they ddidn't even need to evolve because they struck gold the very first time. This one is, together with Red and Discipline, their best album and it's pretty obvious why. Lake is just an awesome singer, this album doesn't have any actual downsides and it had enough variation to stay interesting. 21st Centruy Schizoid Man got me at hello, the very first 5 seconds of overwhelming horns made me love King Crimson already and the other tracks didn't make me think any less of it. I Talk to the Wind is quite a touching song, Epitaph is the second climax to the album, opening with an overwhelming, outlandish guitar riff, and going into calm mode afterwards. It's probably the best thign King Crimson has ever done, with an amazing buildup, an overall awesome composition and with one of Lake's strongest performances vocally. Moonchild is the oddball track (not the last one they made, to say the least), that lulls you asleep with little improvised guitar riffs and keeps you awake with random sounds after a little ballad. And then there's the finale, which is one of grandeur to say the least. What's there to say about it? It's just epic, case closed. Overall, I think that no one has made such a perfect debut as King Crimson. Simple as that. __________________ My Last.fm. Please add me. Now. NOW. FUCK THE PORN IT CAN WAIT. My RYM thingy I now have a tumblr and I do stuff on it