Trollheart's Room 101 (Music Version) is open for business!

Trollheart · 05-11-2012, 05:34 PM

Well, three new ideas....
I know, I'm still mulling your acoustic thingy over. But not everything can go in.
As Eddie Hitler once remarked to Richie Rich "Well of course there's something outside Richie! You can't expect the entire universe to be contained within the confines of a small camping tent!"

WiiareFaded · 05-11-2012, 06:15 PM

To add a little more to mine, if you look at the concepts of Year Zero from NIN and Thousand Suns from LP, it seems too sickeningly obvious to me.

The Bullet · 05-12-2012, 10:19 PM

Couple nominations

1. The attitude that classical is the most superior form of music, and no jazz, rock, or EDM will ever be as good or "fine" as any of it.
2. The opposite attitude that classical is snobbery, not music since its become all proper.

Spoiler for Really long off-topic rant about Liszt in particular:

3.Black Veil Brides. Banish them NOW. If you don't know who they are, you've been spared.

Spoiler for Quite possibly, the death of rock:

Spoiler for An even longer rant, and this time, I don't cut slack at the end of it.:

**Frownland** · 05-12-2012, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bullet

Couple nominations

1. The attitude that classical is the most superior form of music, and no jazz, rock, or EDM will ever be as good or "fine" as any of it.
2. The opposite attitude that classical is snobbery, not music since its become all proper.

Spoiler for Really long off-topic rant about Liszt in particular:

3.Black Veil Brides. Banish them NOW. If you don't know who they are, you've been spared.

Spoiler for Quite possibly, the death of rock:

Spoiler for An even longer rant, and this time, I don't cut slack at the end of it.:

You have all of my support for all three of these nominations, good work/ranting.

Trollheart · 05-13-2012, 06:36 AM

Guys, you have given me a lot to ponder!
I now have to go and do some heavy drinking.
I mean, drinking!
I mean, drinking!
Okay then, thinking...!

Rack 'em up!

I shall return with my decision when totally drunk/ready...

The Bullet · 05-13-2012, 01:18 PM

To add more to the opposition of BVB, the fake Sixx was born to a very wealthy family in Beverly Hills, and he's desperately trying to be a guy who was a complete gangster before he made it big. Pathetic.

Uppsa1 · 05-14-2012, 11:40 AM

Another point that I've got to kind of contrast the musical snobbery already mentioned:
People that think music is solely a matter of taste. That will defend their own awfull taste in music by saying that music is never better or worse but just a matter of taste.
I think we all agree that, although music is very subjective and differs from person to person, there really is an objectiv part to it that is very big. I am able to defend most of my musical preferences with arguments other than "they're awesome" or "they rock".
There are many artists out there that are just objectively bad or at least way overrated. If I say that Lil Wayne is annoying it isn't because Hip-Hop isn't my taste (even though that is true) but because he just doesn't have any talent whatsoever. I don't like hip-hop but there are rappers that I respect for the talent they have, that I would never call bad although I don't like their music.
I hope you guys understand what I'm getting at here.

Trollheart · 05-14-2012, 06:07 PM

I do, yes. That's the whole reason (or most of it) that I started the "Stranger in a strange land" section, where I purposely --- and often painfully --- explore a genre or sub-genre of music I not only am not knowledgeable about, but generally regard as not to my taste. My reasoning is, if I take the time to get to know this genre as best I can, by sampling a cross-section of the bands/artistes who practice it, it can work one of two ways:

1. I can suddenly and to my surprise find the music is not as bad as I thought it was, and therefore not be so cutting in my criticism of it or

2. I can now be informed enough to be able to support any arguments I make, citing examples and thereby being even more cutting in my criticism of this genre or whatever.

Of course, as you say, music taste is subjective, and there are people who will generalise with comments like "all metal is loud therefore crap" or "boyband music is all manufactured". While the latter maybe true, it doesn't necessarily disqualify the genre as ... well, it does, but you know what I mean!

Basically, if you don't know about it, don't rant about it, is where I'm coming from.

And now, the results of the second choice for Room 101...

Trollheart · 05-14-2012, 06:16 PM

Having generated the best, and indeed the most interesting debate, I really can't do anything other than put Janszoon's request for, shall we call it, acoustical snobbery? into Room 101. I still don't fully understand all the nuances, but often the point is not that the item deserves it that much than that it's argued the best, and this certainly was.

So... "Acoustical snobbery" is the second item to be booted into Room 101!

A decison on the third item will be reached soon. Watch for the white smoke!

**Janszoon** · 05-14-2012, 07:07 PM

Yay!

05-11-2012, 05:34 PM	#31 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	Well, three new ideas.... I know, I'm still mulling your acoustic thingy over. But not everything can go in. As Eddie Hitler once remarked to Richie Rich "Well of course there's something outside Richie! You can't expect the entire universe to be contained within the confines of a small camping tent!" __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

05-12-2012, 10:19 PM	#33 (permalink)
The Bullet Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 454	Couple nominations 1. The attitude that classical is the most superior form of music, and no jazz, rock, or EDM will ever be as good or "fine" as any of it. 2. The opposite attitude that classical is snobbery, not music since its become all proper. Spoiler for Really long off-topic rant about Liszt in particular: (None of these composers had people dress all nicely to see them during their time, as I hope most people here know. Heck, Liszt use to set up his piano so that the strings would snap off as he played each note for the last time and he would smash his piano at the end of his shows. That's not the bad part at all, that's really cool and SOUNDS like a 19th century Hendrix. NOT WHAT HE WAS AT ALL. The sad thing is that his fanbase consisted of young, lovestruck girls who would faint when he did this, and ONLY lovestruck girls. I know what you're thinking, but The Beatles eventually expanded their fanbase during their lifetime once they got good. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that was the case for Liszt. The fact that people are dressing up to hear guys trained to play anything perform music by a guy who was seen as Bieber during his lifetime... I'm not saying his music isn't good. It is. I'm saying it took musically educated people a LONG time to take him seriously, even if for the better, and that's really ironic.) 3.Black Veil Brides. Banish them NOW. If you don't know who they are, you've been spared. Spoiler for Quite possibly, the death of rock: Spoiler for An even longer rant, and this time, I don't cut slack at the end of it.: These ***ing Crue wannabee sellouts who decide to be emo so they can market to that crowd. I go to school with fangirls who set their last name to "Sixx" on Facebook, since that (as I've been forced to know)* use to be their singer's stagename after Nikki Sixx, and then they have no idea who Motley Crue ever was aside from MAYBE the fact that the name comes from them. As for the fanboys, they all play guitar very mediocrely and think they're absolutely amazing. They then proceed to claim themselves as "defending 'real music' in a sea of crap" Drives me nuts. Banish them. Please. Send them away. Kill them. Banish them. Banish them now. In 2020, I see a generation of awful rockers ripping off these guys who are already ripping off a band who already fell off a long time ago.

05-13-2012, 06:36 AM	#35 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	Guys, you have given me a lot to ponder! I now have to go and do some heavy drinking. I mean, drinking! I mean, drinking! Okay then, thinking...! Rack 'em up! I shall return with my decision when totally drunk/ready... __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

05-14-2012, 06:07 PM	#38 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	I do, yes. That's the whole reason (or most of it) that I started the "Stranger in a strange land" section, where I purposely --- and often painfully --- explore a genre or sub-genre of music I not only am not knowledgeable about, but generally regard as not to my taste. My reasoning is, if I take the time to get to know this genre as best I can, by sampling a cross-section of the bands/artistes who practice it, it can work one of two ways: 1. I can suddenly and to my surprise find the music is not as bad as I thought it was, and therefore not be so cutting in my criticism of it or 2. I can now be informed enough to be able to support any arguments I make, citing examples and thereby being even more cutting in my criticism of this genre or whatever. Of course, as you say, music taste is subjective, and there are people who will generalise with comments like "all metal is loud therefore crap" or "boyband music is all manufactured". While the latter maybe true, it doesn't necessarily disqualify the genre as ... well, it does, but you know what I mean! Basically, if you don't know about it, don't rant about it, is where I'm coming from. And now, the results of the second choice for Room 101... __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

05-14-2012, 06:16 PM	#39 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	Having generated the best, and indeed the most interesting debate, I really can't do anything other than put Janszoon's request for, shall we call it, acoustical snobbery? into Room 101. I still don't fully understand all the nuances, but often the point is not that the item deserves it that much than that it's argued the best, and this certainly was. So... "Acoustical snobbery" is the second item to be booted into Room 101! A decison on the third item will be reached soon. Watch for the white smoke! __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

05-11-2012, 06:15 PM	#32 (permalink)
WiiareFaded Groupie Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 10	To add a little more to mine, if you look at the concepts of Year Zero from NIN and Thousand Suns from LP, it seems too sickeningly obvious to me.

05-13-2012, 01:18 PM	#36 (permalink)
The Bullet Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 454	To add more to the opposition of BVB, the fake Sixx was born to a very wealthy family in Beverly Hills, and he's desperately trying to be a guy who was a complete gangster before he made it big. Pathetic.

05-14-2012, 11:40 AM	#37 (permalink)
Uppsa1 Groupie Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 3	Another point that I've got to kind of contrast the musical snobbery already mentioned: People that think music is solely a matter of taste. That will defend their own awfull taste in music by saying that music is never better or worse but just a matter of taste. I think we all agree that, although music is very subjective and differs from person to person, there really is an objectiv part to it that is very big. I am able to defend most of my musical preferences with arguments other than "they're awesome" or "they rock". There are many artists out there that are just objectively bad or at least way overrated. If I say that Lil Wayne is annoying it isn't because Hip-Hop isn't my taste (even though that is true) but because he just doesn't have any talent whatsoever. I don't like hip-hop but there are rappers that I respect for the talent they have, that I would never call bad although I don't like their music. I hope you guys understand what I'm getting at here.

05-14-2012, 07:07 PM	#40 (permalink)
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