Why is Madonna so overrated?

Engine · 01-11-2012, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

i don't think she was over-rated when she first made it big

the songs justified the hype

only later was she "over-rated", that's only because of unwarranted critical acclaim for what is "pop fluff"

Totally agreed.
Madonna became successful because she's an excellent singer. If I recall, way back in the early 1980s, her promoters kept her physical image private because the industry presumed her to be a black soul singer, more like a new Motown thing than a contemporary '80s Billboard Top-40 thing. It was only later that her physicality was exploited. She was first noticed and propelled into stardom because of her singing.

I haven't paid attention to her music for the last couple decades but she was certainly the real deal when she started out: a young, hyper-ambitious Italian American with a better singing voice than almost everybody. So, boobs and Gaga comparisons aside, she rates fine in my book and I still love her old stuff because she was pretty much the best at what she did.

edit: When Madonna's lost I'll be her guide. She just turns around and I'm by her side

mr dave · 01-12-2012, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

Why is Lady Gaga brought up every time Madonna is? Get over it people, yes Gaga borrows from her, it doesn't need to be said 100 times I'm pretty sure unless someone has been living under a rock they will see the comparison.

So then why did no one in Gaga's camp pick up on the fact that she pretty much directly lifted the melody to 'Express Yourself' for 'Born This Way'? Her reactions to being questioned about it by the press lead me to wonder...

Franco Pepe Kalle · 01-13-2012, 07:28 AM

Madonna was somewhat overrated but some of her songs are tight with me. I can listen to Madonna from time to time when I feel to do so. Madonna is someone who is a incredibly great dancer. She's got the skills. Madonna can still dance even at 53 years old. I think her new album will be the bang.

**Goofle** · 01-13-2012, 08:34 AM

It's like watching your mum grind, but more physically repulsing.

sopsych · 01-13-2012, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Engine

Totally agreed.
Madonna became successful because she's an excellent singer. If I recall, way back in the early 1980s, her promoters kept her physical image private because the industry presumed her to be a black soul singer, more like a new Motown thing than a contemporary '80s Billboard Top-40 thing. It was only later that her physicality was exploited. She was first noticed and propelled into stardom because of her singing.

I haven't paid attention to her music for the last couple decades but she was certainly the real deal when she started out: a young, hyper-ambitious Italian American with a better singing voice than almost everybody. So, boobs and Gaga comparisons aside, she rates fine in my book and I still love her old stuff because she was pretty much the best at what she did.

edit: When Madonna's lost I'll be her guide. She just turns around and I'm by her side

I find part of that first paragraph very hard to believe. Madonna has never never been known for having a good singing voice. For the first half of her career, it was thin and underwhelming.

Guybrush · 01-13-2012, 11:12 AM

As far as I know, Madonna is extremely ambitious and worked very hard to become famous - and still does.

The 80s was full of artists doing more or less what Madonna did, people like Kim Wilde, Nena, Samantha Fox, Sandra, Sabrina etc. Although I'm not a fan of that kind of music, I reckon Madonna was by far the best of the bunch. Her songs were good and she wasn't a one-hit wonder either. There was more where that came from.

Since then she's managed to renew herself, for example on songs like Frozen or Hung Up. I don't think she's that overrated and figure she's a better candidate for the title Queen of Pop than any other I can think of.

Necromancer · 01-13-2012, 11:13 AM

I thought that Madonna had a decent voice. The slack early in her career was due to not yet finding her sound and style (if I am correct)? Having good dance choreography +1.

Franco Pepe Kalle · 01-13-2012, 08:11 PM

She is a genius dancer. She is someone who knows how to show your dancing skills well. Good luck with Madonna.

starrynight · 01-13-2012, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tore

The 80s was full of artists doing more or less what Madonna did, people like Kim Wilde, Nena, Samantha Fox, Sandra, Sabrina etc. Although I'm not a fan of that kind of music, I reckon Madonna was by far the best of the bunch. Her songs were good and she wasn't a one-hit wonder either. There was more where that came from.

Kim Wilde is a bit underrated. Obviously without the American hype Madonna got.

Franco Pepe Kalle · 01-13-2012, 08:37 PM

Madonna is the more successful pop person indeed. Samatha Fox and Kim Wilde are basic one hit wonders. Madonna did make some quite controversial songs such as Justify the Love. I heard that video was banned on MTV. It is fascinating to hear.

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Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	As far as I know, Madonna is extremely ambitious and worked very hard to become famous - and still does. The 80s was full of artists doing more or less what Madonna did, people like Kim Wilde, Nena, Samantha Fox, Sandra, Sabrina etc. Although I'm not a fan of that kind of music, I reckon Madonna was by far the best of the bunch. Her songs were good and she wasn't a one-hit wonder either. There was more where that came from. Since then she's managed to renew herself, for example on songs like Frozen or Hung Up. I don't think she's that overrated and figure she's a better candidate for the title Queen of Pop than any other I can think of. __________________ Something Completely Different

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Franco Pepe Kalle Mwana Nzala Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Shakopee, Minnesota Posts: 627	She is a genius dancer. She is someone who knows how to show your dancing skills well. Good luck with Madonna. __________________ The problem with Franco Pepe Kalle is that he is a unpredictable character. There is surprising info about this man. You think he only likes Franco and Pepe Kalle but when you find out that he hears other artists, you are shock. Girls are the sexy thing that God created. Important to notice FPK.

01-13-2012, 08:37 PM	#120 (permalink)
Franco Pepe Kalle Mwana Nzala Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Shakopee, Minnesota Posts: 627	Madonna is the more successful pop person indeed. Samatha Fox and Kim Wilde are basic one hit wonders. Madonna did make some quite controversial songs such as Justify the Love. I heard that video was banned on MTV. It is fascinating to hear. __________________ The problem with Franco Pepe Kalle is that he is a unpredictable character. There is surprising info about this man. You think he only likes Franco and Pepe Kalle but when you find out that he hears other artists, you are shock. Girls are the sexy thing that God created. Important to notice FPK.

01-13-2012, 11:13 AM	#117 (permalink)
Necromancer Divination Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,655	I thought that Madonna had a decent voice. The slack early in her career was due to not yet finding her sound and style (if I am correct)? Having good dance choreography +1.