You're absolutely right there. Smoking has long lasting, potentially fatal effects, wheras the effects of weed are usually short term, and the long term effects can be easily minimised. And although I've never seen a beer comercial following an anti marijuana one, I'd be pretty angry if I did.

i've seen a documentary that says marijuana smokers have the same chances of developing throat cancer as normal smokers

I'd be very sceptical about that. Remember, in cigarrettes there's not just the tobacco but the tar to worry about. Tar sticks in your lungs, and will probably have worse lasting effects.

people usually smoke marijuana resin than leaves, which have a lot of unwanted chemicals as well

There are things like vaporizers that make the smoke a lot less harmful. And people who smoke cigarettes tend to smoke a lot more than people who smoke weed. There aren't many people who smoke 20 marijuana cigarettes a day, but there are a lot of people who smoke 20 cigarettes a day, and even more than that.

To be frank, neither marijuana and cigarrettes are completely harmless, but I think blastingas is right when he talks about the amounts of each taken in. Most people I know only do weed about once a week, which at least gives your body some time to recover. However, the effects of smoking can only be fully reversed after 15 years of not smoking.

They're actually just completing a study on this exact subject; so far, the combined use of marijuana and tobacco is almost twice as harmful than the use of just tobacco, but strangely marijuana smoke on its own has shown to be not as dangerous as tobacco smoke.

I'd guess that the marijuana smoke just exacerbates the more negative effects of cigarette smoke. Marijuana smoke's not harmless by any means, but I guess in this case it's like catching something on fire with gasoline and then throwing pine needles on it.

Yep, probably something to do with the fact that nowadays marijuana is genetically bred to be more resinous, more sticky, and more turpenoid-rich than ever before. Burning any sort of resin creates harsh ass smoke, whereas dried tobacco probably isn't as harsh but is a lot more harmful in its smoke quality.

With tobacco, it's the tar that does the lasting damage. It gets stuck in your lungs and leads to really horrible things like emphysema.

leaves aren't as effective as resin + tobacco - you'd get high in seconds and stay there all night

most of the weedheads i know do that

Haha! As far as I can see, a lot of people aren't as bothered about their health as they are about a good bit of temporary satisfaction.

Even if you smoked a bowl or two a day, you wouldn't be inhaling as much smoke as your average tobacco smoker.

In comparison, for weed, you have a few toxins and slightly damaging substances from the resins which might make your eyes sore for a few days.
For cigarrettes, you have huge amounts of tar, some pretty dangerous resins and lasting long term effects of up to 20 years.

Wow. That's how bad bud is across the pond?

I smoked an eighth blunt (at least 0.7 g of it to myself) and it was the sorest "weed hangover" I've ever had...and it only lasted a few hours into the morning. Bear in mind I was so high the night before my knees were wobbly and I lost motor control.

Hmmm... Usually all weed's effects last for a few days, sometimes a week. Or perhaps we are softer than you?

No that's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm saying that Europeans probably ingest more of those compounds that contribute to ill effects of marijuana, probably from the insistent use of hashish & tobacco instead of the full flower. The stuff I buy actually tastes REALLY GOOD when I smoke it -- and it's not a psychosomatic effect, because I've had my share of middies and they're still disgusting to me.

I mean, my eyes still get red, and I occasionally get a headache afterwards, but for the most part weed is a withdrawal-free drug for me. In fact, on the days following a nice fat bowl I feel awesome.

I thought there has yet to be a link between marijuana and cancer?

A marijuana hangover? I've never had one of those and i used to be a serious smoker. I would get the occasional headache every now and then after I would smoke. I think the only link between marijuana and cancer is the cancer fighting aspects of it. It's widely known that smoking helps people with cancer and MS and aids. And it's even been discovered that cannabinoids Have been shown the stop the growth of cancerous tumors in lab animals, and even has shown to destroy the tumor all together.

It's called Lucid Dreaming. Many people can do it without drugs or music. I can't control the dream, however.

Do you take prescription medication? To make a generalized statement based on your perspective falls in the line of bigotry from my perspective.

That's not exactly 'growing balls'. You appeared to have seen it as some kind of 'sin', and allowed others to dictate what is 'good and evil' in your mind. You felt guilty, you did not grow 'nads'. So, exactly the opposite is True here. You 'cowered' to mans dictated rules and laws to alleviate your guilt for disobeying them. And, that does not take any 'guts'.

It was cowardice, and, now it's turned to judgment, which will come back at you.

"Do not lay down any rules beyond what I appointed you, and do not give a law like the lawgiver lest you be constrained by it." The Nazarene

You are disrupting the chemical balance of your CNS, so you are using 'sleep deprivation' as a drug, which in fact does lead to bizarre behavior and hallucinations. And, is actually a symptom of a much deeper problem according to those experts in a field I will not discuss, because, I personally do not consider it to be all that viable.

The thread is about marijuana. I don't smoke anymore, but, I will contest that it is probably the best medication and natural remedy ever known to mankind. Far less damaging than self-induced sleep deprivation. Illegal because of personal financial gain of a few shady characters, and, the war is on drugs not made by Pfizer.

So, print this out, cover your eyes for two days, and then see if you can see a little more light, and a few less dancing ice-angels.

I am not judging you personally, I am merely stating a reaction to the words, so don't take it as an attack on your character. I do not know you, I only know what you wrote.

Here is what I saw:

Don't smoke weed people, because, I did until I felt guilty, and grew some balls. Only cowards committing a slow suicide would want for anything other than my 'new' method, which is equally effective as any hallucinogen, and, only takes 48 hours to take effect.:clap:

Because,

Holy hell. I think you might have made some real sense there, even if you were rambling a little bit.

Poor Mighty Salami, I smoke every day all day finances permitting and don't know anything about weed hangovers or having my eyes be sore. You need to move to the Pacific West coast asap...

Eyes sore, headaches, hangovers... although that might be the beer.

You should ask around. See if that's a common malady for Britons who exclusively smoke weed.

(Maybe KT wants to chime in at some point?)

Well, in fairness I've got a few mates who smoke all kinds of crap, (shisha, etc) and they all suffer far worse than the rest of us.

Lucifer sam.....I wonder if Syd knew his etymology in 67.

Lucifer = "light bearer, light bringer"
Samuel = "The Name of God"

Or, his gematria......

Lucifer = 444
Jesus = 444

Jennifer 'Fair, white, smooth' Gentle

Now, with all the 'cat' symbolism written in ancient texts, listen to the song again.



"Percy the Rat Catcher"? He wrote it about his girlfriend, so it says.

Percival - 'Perceval, the Story of the Grail'.

Percy Bysshe Shelley

Just throwing it out there. The lyrics may be strange at times, but, they always lead to Spiritual themes.

Perhaps Syd did not 'see' things as good and/or evil. Maybe, he just saw things as they are, but, was disturbed because of the attachments to the 'names'. It has driven a lot of 'sane' men bat crap crazy.

Just smoke a fatty, and, sit back and listen, if you like. And, pet your cat or dog, and stab some rats. The "Great King Rat" is a 'dirty old man', and a major hallucination.




Or, maybe he was writing a song about Stevie Nicks:)

peace

So, Steve, I guess you're saying that there is a true meaning behind our words, even if we're using those words in a different context? And that's why you talk about etymology. The words I use don't even mean what I think they mean, therefore I don't really know what I'm saying and there is a deeper meaning to everything I say.

^^I think he means we're all connected spiritually even if we don't know it

I object very strongly that have any connection, spirtual or emotional, with erasertime or Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra.

^^ha ha ha

as again, back to the topic at hand, i did copious amounts of weed in University but i never had a hangover

(this was in Wales)

Surely there are going to be some side effects to any amout of weed smoking? The whole point was that even those would be short term, pass quickly and usually not severe. With smoking, it's exactly the opposite. You might hear me say; "my grandfather died through smoking", butt you'd never hear me say "my grandfather died after taking weed".

it did bring out my "secret schizophrenia"

then again, i've always been "weird" even before i started smoking

Do you think it helped you enjoy music more?

i've already said it only works with reggae and dub

and makes Dark Side of the Moon bearable

Sorry...
I'm probably too stoned to remember.

I've never found Dark Side of the Moon bearable. I might try listening to it today.

smoke first before you do

Nearest dealer lives about ten miles away, I have no car, it's raining, and my family are all at home today, but OK.

Ya'll dont like Pink Floyd?

I hear what you're saying about weed bringing out your inner schizophrenic side. I think it does that to a lot of people. I think that smoking while you're depressed can make you more depressed.

You wanna see your inner schizophrenic? Take some mushrooms. I've had good experiences with them, but I've also had some horrible experiences where I was losing my mind. Speaking of Dark Side of the Moon, I was listening to that on shrooms once and it penetrated my mind so deep in a strange, schizophrenic way. I had to turn it off, felt like my brain was going to explode.:laughing:

nah, I love the Pink

just can't stand Dark Side, s'all

Love them or hate them: they are officially the best band to see live.

And I don't particularly want to meet my other self. I think I'm happy with my established dominance. Hell, I've suppressed him this far; I'm not going to meet him again.