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Old 12-08-2011, 09:31 AM   #311 (permalink)
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The above post was my categorization of what a great guitarist is, Rolling Stone have different parameters on how they classify a great guitarist. Robbie Robertson was an outstanding guitarist, but unless you`re really into music not too many people will remember who the Band were, had he been in the Rolling Stones, well he`d probably be a lot higher on their list.
So you are saying how a guitarist "struts his stuff" matters? Or you're not?

Either way, what Rolling Stone says is one opinion. I happen to think its too heavily influenced by what was great in the 1960's. I also don't know that Buckethead should be on a greatest guitarists list.

To me Buckethead sits outside the boundaries of the guitar because to me he's thinking macro level. I don't think he wonders about things like "how to I play the following 45 notes in such a manner that it fits with the keys" I think he says "what sound is going to fit in this space that will enhance it."

No he chooses to play a guitar, but with all the effects he uses, the people he surrounds himself with, and the different layers he has going on record to record, I see him more as a producer (in a sense) than a guitarist.
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Old 12-08-2011, 10:49 AM   #312 (permalink)
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So you are saying how a guitarist "struts his stuff" matters? Or you're not?
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Yes I`m saying how a guitarist "struts his stuff" does matter, as long he meets enough of the other criteria of being a good guitarist as well. Basically, a great guitarist should have enough talents and aces up his sleeve to excel in what he does.

Nostalgia is important, as it more or less goes hand in hand with hindsight, because quite often to really know how great a guitarist is/was, he needs to be judged not only in the present, but also in his era and with his fellow guitarists at that time (hence the contrast between Hendrix and Buckethead pits two different generations of guitarists together and on top of that, both are completely different types of guitarist as well, but that is the fault of the OP) and also the impact that they have had on their fellow guitarists today, I mean....people like Hendrix, Page and Iommi pretty much inspired a multitude of people to pick up a guitar, as for how influential Buckethead will be, only time will tell. Basically a great guitarist today, can only only really be judged in hindsight, now that`s an opinion but I think a valid one.
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This is becoming a discussion for another thread, but that would make it impossible to compare any two people who existed in different eras.
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This is becoming a discussion for another thread, but that would make it impossible to compare any two people who existed in different eras.
Its not impossible, just a lot more difficult than comparing two people from the same era and style. Comparing Hendrix to Buckethead is like comparing Al Pacino to Jim Carey, both are good at what they do, but are different generations and styles.
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Its not impossible, just a lot more difficult than comparing two people from the same era and style. Comparing Hendrix to Buckethead is like comparing Al Pacino to Jim Carey, both are good at what they do, but are different generations and styles.
Remember: this whole thread was created by Erasertime to be as unproductive as possible. Of course they don't compare, that's the whole point of trolling.

Now if he'd compared Hendrix to someone like Blind Lemon Jefferson, we may not have induced so much arguing, but at least the comparison will have been more productive.
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Remember: this whole thread was created by Erasertime to be as unproductive as possible. Of course they don't compare, that's the whole point of trolling.

Now if he'd compared Hendrix to someone like Blind Lemon Jefferson, we may not have induced so much arguing, but at least the comparison will have been more productive.
I don't know erasertime, but to thwart trolls, discuss them seriously, but not emotionally.
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So you are saying how a guitarist "struts his stuff" matters? Or you're not?

Either way, what Rolling Stone says is one opinion. I happen to think its too heavily influenced by what was great in the 1960's. I also don't know that Buckethead should be on a greatest guitarists list.

To me Buckethead sits outside the boundaries of the guitar because to me he's thinking macro level. I don't think he wonders about things like "how to I play the following 45 notes in such a manner that it fits with the keys" I think he says "what sound is going to fit in this space that will enhance it."

No he chooses to play a guitar, but with all the effects he uses, the people he surrounds himself with, and the different layers he has going on record to record, I see him more as a producer (in a sense) than a guitarist.
Hit the nail on the head there, I think. To add to this, on his solo work, he does the drum machine or plays, he usually plays the bass track, he usually plays the guitar unless otherwise stated. His main, go-to drummer is Brian "Brain" Mantia. Not officially, but from what I've noticed with him all-together, he goes to Brain most often, drum machine second, and himself third. He is a multi-instrumentalist and he's wild with all of them. He plays bass on par with Claypool just about, plus he takes his guitar shredding and applies it on the bass when necessary.

Very well written.
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When I say sensual I don't mean sexual. Jimi Hendrix played music that you could feel in your flesh. His movements, voice and creativity evoked sensual (there's not real word for this so I'll use this word) music-orgasms.

Emotional music is when the music can affect your life (Stairway to Heaven) and affects your mind in high forms.

We all have our own definitions but Buckethead does have the sensual and emotional touch in his music.
This is erasertime. And I think Ska Lagos tried to reason with him instead of get angry with him.
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Remember: this whole thread was created by Erasertime to be as unproductive as possible.
How could anybody forget and then to top it all Buckethead was chucked out and C.C Deville brought in!

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I don't know erasertime, but to thwart trolls, discuss them seriously, but not emotionally.
You`re being ironic probably without realizing it, unless you`ve read the whole thread. The basis of eraserhead`s original argument, was that Hendrix had little emotion whilst playing, whereas Buckethead had it by the bucket load (excuse the pun) The OP wasn`t remotely interested in who had more skill, just who played with more emotion.
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Hit the nail on the head there, I think. To add to this, on his solo work, he does the drum machine or plays, he usually plays the bass track, he usually plays the guitar unless otherwise stated. His main, go-to drummer is Brian "Brain" Mantia. Not officially, but from what I've noticed with him all-together, he goes to Brain most often, drum machine second, and himself third. He is a multi-instrumentalist and he's wild with all of them. He plays bass on par with Claypool just about, plus he takes his guitar shredding and applies it on the bass when necessary.

Very well written.
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You`re being ironic probably without realizing it, unless you`ve read the whole thread. The basis of eraserhead`s original argument, was that Hendrix had little emotion whilst playing, whereas Buckethead had it by the bucket load (excuse the pun) The OP wasn`t remotely interested in who had more skill, just who played with more emotion.
I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know where you got any of this from.
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