Dream Theater

eraser.time206 · 11-09-2011, 04:48 AM

I enjoy their music very much. I found a quote on the internet and I would like to share it with you. If you are a musician or work with music on a very personal and professional level could you give me your take on this?

"I'm a 17 year guitarist and 7 year recording engineer. My opinion of Dream Theatre is simply that their music stems deeper than anyone here can even probably understand. They are all mathematical geniuses, well schooled in Theory at Berkeley Music. These guys can play any style of music they want to by simply using the "Formula" for that music. Different styles of music use different scales and intervals, creating unique harmonic overtones to that style. Egyptian, Persian, Japanese, Neapolitan, Spanish, etc. When you understand music a little more, you can hear different things, your ears are more receptive and your always trying to understand what they are playing. They are indeed "MASTERS" of the trade and no one can come close to the talent these guys possess. Maybe some of the earlier masters, Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, but that's it."

- Melodyssey

Thank you for your input.

s_k · 11-09-2011, 07:08 AM

It's ingenius, but overly technical if you ask me.
It's a product, not music in the first place. I like DT by the way, but I realise that it lacks a bit of feel. Tool is even more technical, but at least has some feel to it

RMR · 11-09-2011, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by s_k

It's ingenius, but overly technical if you ask me.
It's a product, not music in the first place. I like DT by the way, but I realise that it lacks a bit of feel. Tool is even more technical, but at least has some feel to it

Agreed, what you are referring to as "feel" I wrote as "emotional component"... agree completely. I feel the same way about Gentle Giant (two completely different bands in style, I know), but for me, both bands can lack a certain feel or emotional resonance-- and that doesn't come from a math formula.

s_k · 11-09-2011, 07:55 AM

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Agreed, what you are referring to as "feel" I wrote as "emotional component"... agree completely. I feel the same way about Gentle Giant (two completely different bands in style, I know), but for me, both bands can lack a certain feel or emotional resonance-- and that doesn't come from a math formula.

Haha, well Tool once based a song on a math formula as you probably know.
I saw Tool live and it sent shivers down my spine the whole concert. Haha, I even feel them whilst typing this. It was an epic experience. I'm not sure what Tool does right.
I see what you mean with the Gentle Giant comparison, altough I must say I never listen to GG, and I to listen to DT a couple of times a year. Not too often.
I should admit that I really only play Images and Words every now and then. Because I like the music, but also because I'm an audiofreak and even though the record has a sharp 90's sound to it, it's a brilliant recording

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Originally Posted by eraser.time206

Dream Theater is not a band I can listen to very often but when I'm in the mood I can appreciate their music. I do agree that their music feels a bit lifeless.

Part of this is due to the singer I think. The music is, imho, far better than the singing itself. Technically he's a very good singer, but again, it lacks feel.
Or, if you will, emotional component (I couldn't think of that, being dutch and all

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RMR · 11-09-2011, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by s_k

Haha, well Tool once based a song on a math formula as you probably know.
I saw Tool live and it sent shivers down my spine the whole concert. Haha, I even feel them whilst typing this. It was an epic experience. I'm not sure what Tool does right.
I see what you mean with the Gentle Giant comparison, altough I must say I never listen to GG, and I to listen to DT a couple of times a year. Not too often.
I should admit that I really only play Images and Words every now and then. Because I like the music, but also because I'm an audiofreak and even though the record has a sharp 90's sound to it, it's a brilliant recording

Part of this is due to the singer I think. The music is, imho, far better than the singing itself. Technically he's a very good singer, but again, it lacks feel.
Or, if you will, emotional component (I couldn't think of that, being dutch and all

)

In terms of the Tool math thing, I'm sure you're referring to Lateralus and the whole Fibonacci sequence thing, which was cool. That is a great album, and you are right about the math there; however, Tool still adds a layer of feel or emotional resonance on top of that,which made that album great.. if that album or any album was based solely on a math formula it would fall flat on its face. Agreed on GG vs. DT. I spin DT somewhat frequently, but I rarely listen to GG. I also saw Tool live on the Lateralus tour and it was amazing. Better than any DT show that I have seen.

eraser.time206 · 11-09-2011, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by s_k

It's ingenius, but overly technical if you ask me.
It's a product, not music in the first place. I like DT by the way, but I realise that it lacks a bit of feel. Tool is even more technical, but at least has some feel to it

Dream Theater is not a band I can listen to very often but when I'm in the mood I can appreciate their music. I do agree that their music feels a bit lifeless.

Capz1990 · 09-02-2012, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by s_k

It's ingenius, but overly technical if you ask me.
It's a product, not music in the first place. I like DT by the way, but I realise that it lacks a bit of feel. Tool is even more technical, but at least has some feel to it

tool is not more technical then dream theater... everything they play is in drop d for the guitarist... skills wise overall they dont matchup... danny carey is amazing though i will admit that.. but overall.. they are not as skilled as dream theater... doesnt make dream theater better.. just saying though

Capz1990 · 09-02-2012, 01:07 PM

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tool is not more technical then dream theater... everything they play is in drop d for the guitarist... skills wise overall they dont matchup... danny carey is amazing though i will admit that.. but overall.. they are not as skilled as dream theater... doesnt make dream theater better.. just saying though

i mean john petrucci and adam jones are on completely different levels technically speaking.... adam jones is a phenomal writer and his style is incredibly original

blastingas10 · 09-02-2012, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Capz1990

tool is not more technical then dream theater... everything they play is in drop d for the guitarist... skills wise overall they dont matchup... danny carey is amazing though i will admit that.. but overall.. they are not as skilled as dream theater... doesnt make dream theater better.. just saying though

John petrucci would disagree.

Capz1990 · 09-02-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

John petrucci would disagree.

i dont know man... i think hes just showing a lot of respect for them... i mean i can cover tool songs.... i cant cover any dream theater songs or even come close lol

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John petrucci would disagree.

im speaking from a guitar point of view lol

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

John petrucci would disagree.

tools style is so much different then anybodys elses though... i mean the originality of their music is amazing... its not really like anything else

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Are these the only 3 you like? Or are you saying these 3 are crap?

i think hes saying please please me being ahead of those two makes the whole list irrevelent

11-09-2011, 04:48 AM	#1 (permalink)
eraser.time206 Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 263	Dream Theater I enjoy their music very much. I found a quote on the internet and I would like to share it with you. If you are a musician or work with music on a very personal and professional level could you give me your take on this? "I'm a 17 year guitarist and 7 year recording engineer. My opinion of Dream Theatre is simply that their music stems deeper than anyone here can even probably understand. They are all mathematical geniuses, well schooled in Theory at Berkeley Music. These guys can play any style of music they want to by simply using the "Formula" for that music. Different styles of music use different scales and intervals, creating unique harmonic overtones to that style. Egyptian, Persian, Japanese, Neapolitan, Spanish, etc. When you understand music a little more, you can hear different things, your ears are more receptive and your always trying to understand what they are playing. They are indeed "MASTERS" of the trade and no one can come close to the talent these guys possess. Maybe some of the earlier masters, Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, but that's it." - Melodyssey Thank you for your input. __________________ Before I go on, let me warn you that I talk dirty, and that I will say things you will neither enjoy nor agree with. You shouldn't feel threatened, though, because I am a mere buffoon, and you are all philosophers.

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