Do you think that music can be divided into good and bad?
 

I knew someone in a music forum, and she told me that music can be divided into good and bad. I just can't agree with her. She told me that because she is older than me and she listened to a lot of music and she found that some are awesome while some are terrible. I am trying to explain to her than different people listen to and prefer to different musci, but she just cite me a lot. She said this kind of people like this kind ofmusic and that kind of people listen to that kind of music and this kind of people don't listen to that kind of music and so and so on. Finnaly I am speechless.

However, I just can't agree with her. So what do you guys think of this? Just give me any ideas that you believe.

Dividing good and bad
 

I believe that all music is subjective. What one person hates another might love. Scientifically though some music is shown to release stress while others are shown to enrage individuals. Whether that determines if the music itself is good or not I don't know.

The woman your talking about is just plain wrong....FACT!
Saying a type of music is good or bad is personal opinion and can only ever be an opinion.... i listen to all sorts of music and if i like it then i thinks its good, but what i say is good music others might not agree, thats just the way it is :P

p.s age doesn't even come into it.

Out of curiosity, what music does this woman think is good and what does she think is bad?

It's all about individual preference. The only way good and bad might possibly end up in the final judgement, is if you're in the extreme minority either way. But still, it's all subjective and nothing more.

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Music is my life but not all.As in everything , in music there are bad and good too,some people love rock some hip-hop and many other.Personally I like light Rap,Hip-hop,pop and some classic music.I like very much Kurt Maloo I almost love all musicthis.So what do you think about my opinion?Agree or disagree?
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Mostly, definitely subjective.

However I would have to argue that Desaparecidos is bad, no matter who listens to it.

It's largely subjective, but I don't think it's wholly subjective.

I mean, saying that the "goodness" or "badness" of music is totally subjective would entail some uncomfortable things. For example, I think Brokencyde makes some of the worst "music" I've ever heard, but if music quality was subjective, I'm not allowed to say they make "bad" music just because I don't like it, as it's possible someone out there thinks Brokencyde makes good music. But I think most people agree that objectively, Brokencyde makes really bad music, and people who think Brokencyde makes good music are simply idiots or at the least are musically illiterate.

Music can be very subjective. It is already caterogized into country, rock, hard rock, grunge, punk, etc. I believe it can be divided as good and bad.
I depends upon what one's taste are. But their beliefs have a definite roll in what they listen to.

Subjectivity
 

It's all subjective. If Brokencyde sounds good to someone then to that person they are good music. I enjoy some of Lady GaGa's music. Does that mean I have bad taste? I give all music a chance.

Well, songs have many traits which can't be serialized on a one dimensional scale like "good" and "bad". I wouldn't say it's 'subjective', though. I'd say there are traits to lean to songs being higher quality than others.

It's just, differences in good tastes simply come from which traits people look for.

It's completely subjective. Anyone trying to argue otherwise is out to lunch. Many people liking the same thing and disliking another doesn't make it objective.

I simply don't agree with this. I believe it can objectively be said that Brokencyde is bad music.

Brokencyde subjective
 

Music cannot be objective.

It's completely unfair to say this. I mean, there are a lot of musicians who go through extraneous studies, and excersizes to seek perfection. If the existence of quality didn't exist, it would discredit their efforts entirely.

What's the point of writing "Symphonie Fantasique" when it's subjectively equal to "Baby"?

In 500 years the music will be so advanced that even the best music of today will seem like a pile of crap.

Bold statement
 

I'm probably right.

That's a positive notion, I'll give you that.

Who knows?

Maybe so..

In my opinion, music can be divided into various flavors of everything from crap to coconuts.

Explain why music 200 years ago is more advanced than today.

He is right. Some things like technical ability aren't subjective.

Music advancement
 

Musical subjectivity is based on how well the music appeases the mind. In 500 years humans would know so much about the mind that it's plausible to think music will be used as a drug for depression and also a stimulant in war.

Music is mostly subjective, but there is some objectivity to it.

Music *can* be divided into "good" and "bad" music, but, like others have said, those opinions are subjective.

If you choose criteria by which to judge a piece of music, such as the technical prowess of the musician, then this may allow you to rank songs somewhat objectively based on their difficulty. However, this doesn't mean that someone would judge more technical pieces of music to be "better" than music played by less skillful musicians. I often like simpler pieces of music better than technically challenging ones. And some people like crude music with out-of-tune singing. People like Stu. :p:

I don't think that greater knowledge of the mind will allow music to be created that better appeases the mind, especially since many musical preferences appear to be based on culture, and cultural preferences change rapidly. I say that music in 500 years will sound different than music now, but it won't be more "advanced."

in 500 years we'll be nuclear ash.

I am always a person who like to listen to others. She told me that 10 years later I will not think as what I think now and at that time I will find out that some music are good and some are bad. I try to believe it but that is thing happens 10 years latter whatsoever. Now I agree with you guys and I like all sorts of music. Not all of them I like, but I just try to listen to them, for I get new feelings and feel good.

Hi, kososa, as what you say, you mean there are both good and bad in music. So, can you what music is good and what is bad? I am also curious as Janszoon.

That's my second Jandek video in the past 24 hours... I'm on a roll.

Yes, exactly...that's the kind of music I meant! :)

I would hate it if music could be separated into good and bad. I love that art in all its forms is essentially a judgment-free zone: no one's opinion of art is any more valid than anyone else's. We are all right.

Thats not going to sit easy in some minds. Some people feel as if their minds and tastes are superior.

music can be divided into so many varied categories not just 2
where would John Cages 4-33 be placed in good/bad e.g lol

John Cage's 4'33" is exactly a perfect example of why music, and the purpose of music, is far beyond being simply serialization as "good", or "bad". It leaves out the question of "why?".

With that said, I still don't buy all music being equal, and all perspectives being right.

I would say some people's perspectives are better informed than others but when it really comes down to it I think what's good and what's bad is totally subjective.

That seems like an understatement for a Texan.:laughing:

I'm just kidding with ya Bro..no better/worse than Buckeyes (Yankees).

i'm hearing less and less of "bad" music the older I get

i draw the line at Modern Talking

Don't think anything - music included, is as simple as good and bad.

Taste and preferences in anything, not just music, are always subjective. It's not something you can look at in simple and universally accepted black and white terms as "good" and "bad", and it's really irksome to me when people choose to be that presumptuous.

It is completely subjective, quality is in the ear of the listener. Music is a personal experience, and there are elements that, whilst for some may be brilliant, fail to pique the interests of others. To go around saying 'this person's opinion is incorrect, they obviously don't understand music' is arrogant.

Such as someone trys to judge right from wrong according to the moral.