Unknown Soldier

Lets put this into the proper perspective, probably the largest group of people that mostly followed these British invasion groups, were largely the same people that followed them here in the UK and that was screaming teenage girls and as for how you think that could possibly be detrimental to a culture is actually beyond me!

Do you really believe Frank Zappa could`ve been marketed to same level as the British invasion bands? I doubt that you do deep down especially if you`re familiar with Zappa. Just taking a few Zappa titles from the Absolutely Free album: The Duke of Prunes, The Duke Regains His Chops, Invocation and Ritual Dance of the Young Pumpkin and Son of Suzy Creamcheese I can really see those song titles going down a treat with those looking to market him and anybody into Zappa will know that the lyrics in those songs are equally whacked out.

You go on about these bands giving out a false sense of security, what are you on? This is music we`re talking about here and the lyrics are largely irrelevant, they`re hardly offensive lyrics. You need to get off your high horse about British invasion band lyrics being crap, lyrics as said before are subjective to the listener and as song writers Lennon, McCartney, Davies, Dylan and Zappa are pretty much legendary for their era and as for who wrote the best lyrics, its an individual choice and nothing more.

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Unknown Soldier

Elaboration doesn`t seem to be your strong point either.

Sneer

I've never read such a large amount of bullshit in one thread.

Firstly, Ska is right, the Invasion bands were and still are hyped to high heaven. But they had such a profound impact on the youth culture both in the UK and USA, whilst internationalising rock'n'roll. They gave the rock format mass appeal; a palatable identity, and consequently had a huge influence on scores upon scores of musicians worldwide. It was suddenly being fed through mainstream media outlets throughout Europe and elsewhere. Fucking hell, various Krautrock musicians have even stated that the Beatles performances in Hamburg were as influential to them as the imported Beefheart, Zappa and Velvet Underground records.

As for the bleating over Dylan and Zappa's enforced obscurity, laughable. Dylan is one of the most renowned musicians of all time, do you live under a rock? Zappa's music was acutely counter-cultural, he was never going to achieve mainstream success - nor did he want to. The invasion bands, on the other hand, played pop music - so what do you expect?? It was a shame that the likes of Fats Domino became marginalised as a result of the influx, but R&B just wasn't the in-flavour I guess, mainstream music history is defined by phases.

People also seem to forget that a lot of the Invasion bands went on to achieve great, creative quality in their music. The Beatles, Who and Stones are so revered because of the ability their music had in appealing to such widespread demographics. And they didn't simply just sit on their thumbs either, these bands actively sought to push boundaries and challenge convention, to varying degrees of success granted, as their careers progressed.

And The Hollies aren't as mentioned as The Beatles mainly due to the fact that they weren't as good.

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This wasn't a good thing.

The point is that Bob Dylan and Frank Zappa should have been as famous as the Beatles. This was already stated.

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Unknown Soldier

The Beatles made popular music whilst Dylan and Zappa chose not to, that was their choice and nothing to do with a British invasion, popular music existed in the USA long before the British invasion.

Do you really think that Dylan and especially Zappa would`ve conformed to making popular music?

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blastingas10

The British invasion ruined music? Haha thats absurd. At what point do ya'll stop being so sure of your own opinion? People liked the British bands, so what? Agree to disagree. It's true that people like Dylan were far better lyricists than the Beatles. But that's not to say they didnt have some good lyrics, I think the lyrics to Tomorrow Never Knows are great.

Just because a band is more experimental than another doesn't make them better. Some bands like to have a more traditional sound, there's nothing wrong with that. Traditions do not appear out of thin air, they reflect certain natural tendencies in people's minds, and totally discarding traditional forms in favor of something previously unheard before is like somebody discarding the traditional way of walking down the street in favor of, say, crawling on all fours - just because this makes him different from the regular "sheep herd".

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Janszoon

Well the British invasion certainly didn't do any any favors for the burgeoning Lenape and Cherokee music scenes, that's for sure.

Oh... you mean that other British invasion.

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