Genres You Dislike/Conversion

Zer0 · 10-17-2011, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

I fucking hate 99% of Twee Pop with a passion. The other 1%? Well I may have an album in my collection that has elements but cannot remember it so convince me.

NO

Belle and Sebastian PLEASE!

I do like a fair bit of C86 but I consider the sound not so annoying and a little more sparky and fun than most of the middle class student chinging away on acoustic guitars, living in a dreamworld type of sound that I hear in Twee Pop ( I feel a little sick rising up even saying it).

That's not exactly what I would associate with twee pop. Early "twee" (or indie pop to do it more justice) is closely related to C86 albeit more a bit more melodic and a lot of it is electric guitar-based or even has electronic elements.

Here's a small selection of songs for you guys. Tell me which one you hate the least and why.

TockTockTock · 10-17-2011, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Zer0

If you don't like this then you'll probably never like lo-fi indie.

Agreed... it's a fantastic album.

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

I fucking hate 99% of Twee Pop with a passion. The other 1%? Well I may have an album in my collection that has elements but cannot remember it so convince me.

NO

Belle and Sebastian PLEASE!

I do like a fair bit of C86 but I consider the sound not so annoying and a little more sparky and fun than most of the middle class student chinging away on acoustic guitars, living in a dreamworld type of sound that I hear in Twee Pop ( I feel a little sick rising up even saying it).

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Ah, yes, I feel exactly the same way. Twee generally makes me want to break things.

I'm not a huge fan of the genre either, but I found Weekend's La Variete (1982) to be rather enjoyable. Its sound draws from multiple influences... including jazz and world music.

EDIT: Oh, and I second Zero's recommendation for Field Mice. They're a great band.

Argento · 10-17-2011, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DoctorSoft

The only stuff I hate is Blues, Blues Rock, or anything tagged as Bluesy. That stuff bores me out of my skull.

What about those classics?

Argento · 10-17-2011, 08:11 PM

It seems like I can't stand Rap .

It's awful because I can't enjoy one of the most abundant genres of music.

I can't understand a word of spoken English (I speak Spanish, and can read/write some babbled English).

To me, Rap is a single song. They change the lyrics, and call it a new song.

Actually, there are 5 songs which I would classify somewhat as rap, and I like, but 4 of them are in Spanish, and are just peripherally related to rap. The one on English, I heard it just once, on radio, and never knew his title, but I remember the phrase "you can believe me now". I looked for it on Internet, and never found it.

Paedantic Basterd · 10-17-2011, 08:14 PM

There has to be Spanish hip hop out there somewhere?

I can see how you would be deterred though, seeing as the basis for quality in a rap artist is all in the lyrics and delivery of them.

Argento · 10-17-2011, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

There has to be Spanish hip hop out there somewhere?

Yes. It's a copy of USA.

I don't recommend it.

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

I can see how you would be deterred though, seeing as the basis for quality in a rap artist is all in the lyrics and delivery of them.

Well, that's good information. If it's all in the lyrics, and delivery, I would never be able to get it.

Thanks for your answer.

Thom Yorke · 10-17-2011, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Argento

It seems like I can't stand Rap .

It's awful because I can't enjoy one of the most abundant genres of music.

I can't understand a word of spoken English (I speak Spanish, and can read/write some babbled English).

To me, Rap is a single song. They change the lyrics, and call it a new song.

Actually, there are 5 songs which I would classify somewhat as rap, and I like, but 4 of them are in Spanish, and are just peripherally related to rap. The one on English, I heard it just once, on radio, and never knew his title, but I remember the phrase "you can believe me now". I looked for it on Internet, and never found it.

Even though lyricism is the main part there's still the instrumental part of it and the rapper's flow. MF DOOM is the best recommendation I have for that combination. You should check out Madvillainy by Madvillain. Short songs with a variety of beats so you won't get bored or think it's just the same song with new lyrics.

**Janszoon** · 10-17-2011, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Argento

Yes. It's a copy of USA.

I don't recommend it.

Actually, there's some pretty good spanish-language rap out there.

Control Machete (Mexico)

Obsesión (Cuba)

Guerrillero Okulto (Chile)

Zaqarbal · 10-18-2011, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Argento

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

There has to be Spanish hip hop out there somewhere?

Yes. It's a copy of USA. I don't recommend it.

Objection, your Honor! I don't agree. I used to think like you. I didn't like rap and hip hop (in any language), but a few months ago I listened to some songs in Spanish and I was pleasantly surprised by them. Actually, there are outstanding bands singing rap and hip hop music in Spanish. The good ones are not a mere copy of USA's acts, because:

Since in these genres lyrics are a strong point, the fact that they make songs in a different language must be a distinguishing feature.
Due to words' length, it is more difficult to write a good song in Spanish than in English. Therefore, a notable final result is praiseworthy, and it shows the artist's musical talent and skills.

Janszoon posted some good examples before. Personally, I was impressed by Violadores del Verso (band's name is a pun: "Verse Violators" or "Verse Rapists"). I intend to post some songs at another thread, but I'd like to translate their lyrics first (or at least a part of them). Anyway, in order to try to convert you, now I'll show you the following samples. Vivir para contarlo ("Living to Tell") and Vicios y virtudes ("Virtues and Vices"):

Vivir para contarlo:

(chorus)

♫ "Dame un ritmo cuando falte emoción...............Gimme a rhythm if excitement is missing.
Volvemos a contarlo con la misma pasión................We tell the story again with the same passion.
Hemos..................................We have....
....reservado la mejor colección.............................kept back the best collection
de delirios que quisieron convertirse en canción...................of delusions that wanted to turn themselves into a song." ♫

(BTW, vid's scenery isn't Arizona or Texas but Los Monegros. So that's NOT a copy of USA either.

)

A las cosas por su nombre ("To Call a Spade a Spade") and Ocho líneas ("Eight Lines").

Howard the Duck · 10-18-2011, 07:56 AM

i think Cypress Hill has some Spanish rap songs

10-17-2011, 08:11 PM	#74 (permalink)
Argento Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Córdoba, Argentina Posts: 95	It seems like I can't stand Rap . It's awful because I can't enjoy one of the most abundant genres of music. I can't understand a word of spoken English (I speak Spanish, and can read/write some babbled English). To me, Rap is a single song. They change the lyrics, and call it a new song. Actually, there are 5 songs which I would classify somewhat as rap, and I like, but 4 of them are in Spanish, and are just peripherally related to rap. The one on English, I heard it just once, on radio, and never knew his title, but I remember the phrase "you can believe me now". I looked for it on Internet, and never found it. __________________ Here is my thread on Argentine music. Le hizo un par de promesas imprudentes y así fue que de ella se aburrió.

10-17-2011, 08:14 PM	#75 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	There has to be Spanish hip hop out there somewhere? I can see how you would be deterred though, seeing as the basis for quality in a rap artist is all in the lyrics and delivery of them.