John Bonham RIP

~~Farfisa~~ · 09-28-2011, 12:06 PM

Didn't this guys die like, 3 decades ago? Why should I care? We all know he's dead, why even bother making a RIP thread?

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 09-28-2011, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loose_lips_sink_ships

Didn't this guys die like, 3 decades ago? Why should I care? We all know he's dead, why even bother making a RIP thread?

It's his death-iverserie, I think.

~~MRNOMADIC~~ · 09-28-2011, 12:17 PM

Surely its irrelevant to say that because a drummer was playing before another one that he is better. Agreed, there are many amazing Jazz drummers but Bonham's a drummer I've loved for years and to be honest I'm probably a bit biased because he's Led Zeppelin's drummer- the greatest rock band of all time.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 09-28-2011, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MRNOMADIC

Surely its irrelevant to say that because a drummer was playing before another one that he is better. Agreed, there are many amazing Jazz drummers but Bonham's a drummer I've loved for years and to be honest I'm probably a bit biased because he's Led Zeppelin's drummer- the greatest rock band of all time.

Honestly, why does it have to be 'the greatest of all time' open your mind, man. Bonham was a good drummer that deserved reverence at time of his death, but his skills are well over-exaggerated.

This thread however, is silly. It's revering an overrated rock drummer 30 years after his death when thousands of equally amazing drummers still living are doing amazing things. People need to give these guys the time of day.

~~MRNOMADIC~~ · 09-28-2011, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

Honestly, why does it have to be 'the greatest of all time' open your mind, man. Bonham was a good drummer that deserved reverence at time of his death, but his skills are well over-exaggerated.

This thread however, is silly. It's revering an overrated rock drummer 30 years after his death when thousands of equally amazing drummers still living are doing amazing things. People need to give these guys the time of day.

You're right in a way but I wouldn't say Bonham was overrated by any means. And revering a drummer that died 30 years ago doesn't mean that living drummers don't get their due credit and they're not amazing as well. It's good to remember a truly awesome drummer and his achievements.

BastardofYoung · 09-28-2011, 12:43 PM

oh overrated, how you are no more than another way of saying "I do not personally like him".

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 09-28-2011, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

oh overrated, how you are no more than another way of saying "I do not personally like him".

I do like him, and I do like Led Zeppelin. The point people miss out when I say things like this, is that Bonham might have been a good drummer, and might have even been a great drummer. Yet, it's not enough to justify naming him the 'unconditional best drummer of all time' as 'rock mythology' would like you to believe.

BastardofYoung · 09-28-2011, 01:34 PM

I try not think of things in terms of the best. Best for that paticular group, but not best over all. Like Nirvana I could probably say Dave Grohl was the best drummer. But I am not going to compare him to somebody like Dave Lombardo or Phil Collins even. Best to me just reflects how they did in their own rights and in relation to what they had to work for.

Could spend hours saying who is the best drummer, best guitarist or best whatever... but not come up with anything.

Sometimes "overrated" is a valid term, but 9 out of 10 times I find it is just used by people to say they do not like something. Just a way of saying, "I do not get it"..

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 09-28-2011, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

I try not think of things in terms of the best. Best for that paticular group, but not best over all. Like Nirvana I could probably say Dave Grohl was the best drummer. But I am not going to compare him to somebody like Dave Lombardo or Phil Collins even. Best to me just reflects how they did in their own rights and in relation to what they had to work for.

Could spend hours saying who is the best drummer, best guitarist or best whatever... but not come up with anything.

Sometimes "overrated" is a valid term, but 9 out of 10 times I find it is just used by people to say they do not like something. Just a way of saying, "I do not get it"..

That's the problem, though. Nobody is saying he's the 'best drummer for Led Zeppelin', the media construes him as 'the best drummer of all time'. In that sense, any drummer that universally acknowledged as the best of all time would inevitably be overrated.

Seeing his death celebrated 30 years post mortem is annoying. I mean, I like say Bela Bartok, but it'd be silly for me to go "RIP Bela Bartok".

BastardofYoung · 09-28-2011, 01:53 PM

Yeah, album sales drive that opinion that has been treated as fact.

If people would just replace "the best" with "my favorite", we would all be better off.

09-28-2011, 12:43 PM	#56 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	oh overrated, how you are no more than another way of saying "I do not personally like him". __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

09-28-2011, 01:34 PM	#58 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	I try not think of things in terms of the best. Best for that paticular group, but not best over all. Like Nirvana I could probably say Dave Grohl was the best drummer. But I am not going to compare him to somebody like Dave Lombardo or Phil Collins even. Best to me just reflects how they did in their own rights and in relation to what they had to work for. Could spend hours saying who is the best drummer, best guitarist or best whatever... but not come up with anything. Sometimes "overrated" is a valid term, but 9 out of 10 times I find it is just used by people to say they do not like something. Just a way of saying, "I do not get it".. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

09-28-2011, 01:53 PM	#60 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	Yeah, album sales drive that opinion that has been treated as fact. If people would just replace "the best" with "my favorite", we would all be better off. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

09-28-2011, 12:06 PM	#51 (permalink)
~~Farfisa~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,773	Didn't this guys die like, 3 decades ago? Why should I care? We all know he's dead, why even bother making a RIP thread?

09-28-2011, 12:17 PM	#53 (permalink)
~~MRNOMADIC~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 15	Surely its irrelevant to say that because a drummer was playing before another one that he is better. Agreed, there are many amazing Jazz drummers but Bonham's a drummer I've loved for years and to be honest I'm probably a bit biased because he's Led Zeppelin's drummer- the greatest rock band of all time.