What's next for Beyonce?
 

Beyonce is pregnant! Will it shake her music career or it will be a rebirth of more greatness? :band::band:

who cares?

Greatness? Since when are "Beyonce" and "greatness" related?

If she's naked... that's greatness.

lol Beyonce isnt great? She's hardly a run of the mill singer, she's got one of the best voices certainly in the last 20 years, maybe even of all time. She's been making chart topping music consistently since the mid-late 1990's, influenced millions of people worldwide, and I daresay she is the defining artist of our generation. If that doesnt count her as great, then by all means please enlighten me as to what does.

This is what I was going to say. Word... for... word...

I doubt she could do what Meredith Monk does. (Keep in mind that I'm not saying Beyonce is a terrible singer.)



Evil Chuck, sorry if you feel I'm targeting you. That's not my intention at all... you just happen to be saying a few things that I disagree with.

lol I dont feel like you're targeting me, and I know that I'm saying things that are likely to be disagreed with especially on this forum.

I think you need to re read my post though. Beyonce does have ONE OF the best voices of the last 20 years, possibly of all time. You're not disagreeing with that are you? She has been consistently making chart topping music for 14 years or so, hasnt she? She has influenced MILLIONS of people WORLDWIDE, has she not?

For those reasons, Beyonce is the defining artist of our generation, and as such will go down in history as a great.

I listened to that Meredith Monk thing as well, and a few others. You're trolling me, right?



Seriously? wtf is that

1.) I think she has a decent voice (I'm not so biased as to deny that), but I wouldn't say she's one of the best singers of the last 20 years (let alone of all time)...
2.) I don't really take chart-topping music very seriously (at least from the 80s until present).
3.) The only pop artists that I know of to ever "define" a generation were The Beatles... and even that is a bit of a stretch. To say that a mediocre pop musician with a decent singing voice represents an entire generation (one which I am apart of) is ridiculous.

No, I don't troll. What Meredith Monk does with her voice is extremely unique and difficult to pull off. While I may not always enjoy her music, I can at least acknowledge that she's one of the most innovative singers in modern music. I don't think Beyonce has the versatility to pull off what Monk does, and if she were to ever attempt it (either with success or failure) then I will have immense respect for her.

1) You have VERY different criteria to me when it comes to 'good' singers, if that Meredith Monk is anything to go by. You look for stuff you can 'appreciate', I look for stuff that touches me, that makes me have a reaction Beyonce's voice has that affect on me, she may not have the most anally perfect technical voice compared to what you look for, but fúck me her voice is powerful and her delivery is perfect. THAT makes her a great singer, not whether she has a degree in freeform scat jazz. When was the last time you listened to a song and had shivers go down your spine? Or had the hairs on the back of your neck stand up? You're not going to get that from 'appreciating' music, you get that from 'feeling' music.

2) As a measure of popularity, the charts are still the best thing we have. And she consistently tops them, not once every so often, but near enough every song. And this has been the case for 14 years. How many other people could have the level of sustained success that she has had and still not get the acknowledgement and appreciation from music 'fans'.

3) Regardless of what you think, or choose to believe, the fact is when we're all dead and people look back to what was popular, what trends were around when we were young, they arent going to see Meredith Monk. They will see Beyonce, just like we see The Beatles, just like we see the Sex Pistols, Metallica, Nirvana, Jimi Hendrix, Elvis Presley. Beyonce is one of the defining artists of our generation, and based on her longevity I'd put her at the head of that list, making her THE defining artist.

Seriously Jack Pat, not all chart music is bad and evil. Some of it believe it or not is actually quite good. You dont have to be the only person with 500 miles to have heard of a song for it to be interesting (and when 'interesting' is the adjective used to describe a song, it generally means '****e'). You can enjoy music from today, no one will judge you negatively for it, most likely people wont even care that you listen to Lady Gaga, or Justin Bieber, or whatever you decide is the one that tickles your pickle. You'll occassionally find a popular song that actually describes your feelings perfectly.



Has there never been a girl like that? Can you not relate to that song at all?

I'm seriously wondering when was the last time you felt emotional through a song. Have you ever cried during a song? Or are songs just things that need to be analysed and compared to you?

I agree.

Whenever I take part in a discussion about skilled singers, musicians, etc, I tend to look for versatility, eclecticism, or innovation (or all three). Of course, this doesn't mean that Monk is my favorite singer... I just consider her to be one of the best. Personally, my favorite singer is Lou Reed, and he can't sing worth shit (he even admits it :laughing:).

When I posted this... which was the last time I listened to music.

... and I have never cared about how popular an artist is.

I'm sure most of the music community will... They tend to acknowledge those who have made major contributions in music. They're not any more or less important than the rest of the music-listening populace.

I just so happen to think that The Sex Pistols, Nirvana (somewhat), Metallica, and Elvis Presley are boring (as do many others). That doesn't mean their music is terrible, though...

I never said it was. I'm just not a fan of it.

Not to me (most of the time), but it might be to others.

I never said that obscure music was interesting.

It depends on who is using the word. When I describe music as "interesting" I almost never imply that it's shit.

Honestly... I don't really care about what people think of my taste in music. If anything I get scrutinized more for what I listen to now.

I remember liking "Viva La Vida" at one point, but then the radio played it so many times that I got sick of it.

If tearing up a bit is considered to be crying, then yes.

I listen to both music that moves me and that which interests me.


The point of my entire statement is that music is entirely subjective... What I may consider crap, you may consider brilliant (or vise-versa). We're pretty much wasting our time talking about this. Haha

Dude that's like saying that when people look back at the 70's they define that generation by the Carpenters and Abba or looking to the 90's and saying that Celine Dion is the pinnacle of what was happening in music at the time

Record sales have almost nothing to do with artistic relevancy, they mostly reflect marketing and the size of the audience, and more often than not the ones with the potential to sell a lot of records are either a)the lowest common denominator or b)the most bland and mediocre/inoffensive. Sometimes good artist do sell a lot of records, but more often than not what's popular is entirely forgettable. I mean really Garth Brooks is the third highest selling musician in US history and how relevant is he in the history of music? Popularity is probably the worst metric of determining what has real relevancy because to most of the people buying the most popular stuff music isn't really important.

But to throw my 2 cents into the main argument here, while I won't claim to have listened to a lot of her music the 4-5 song's I have heard are trite and bland and entirely forgettable. The ability to hit a high note doesn't make someone a good singer, putting your heart and soul into what your singing is the mark of a great singer and I don't hear that in her music at all.

hey the 70s were ABBA and the Carpenters and the Bee Gees

they were the masters of their game (pop)

Beyonce is just some manufactured plastic junk with a good voice, much like Mariah Carey

That is actually pretty true but along with Celine for that dreadful Titanic Theme song boy bands will be heavily remembered and so will gangster rap from the early 90s.

Record sales have everything to do with how relevant an artist to a specific period of time. You might like the music or think it's disposable but when people look back at the great pop acts of certain decades they stay in their mind because of the popularity. Are you going to say that 20 years from now you aren't going to look back and think about how much boy bands and Britney Spears ruled the late 90s and mid 00s?

You are blinded by your hatred for her as an artist to even recognize when she's putting her heart and soul into what she is singing because you just don't like her at all.



Tell me there is no heart or soul in that performance.

What's next for Beyonce?

Swollen feet and morning sickness.

If I ask my mum what her and her friends were listening to in the 70's, she'd definitely list ABBA and The Carpenters in the top 5, so by that I can safely say that yes, ABBA and The Carpenters were two of the groups that defined her generation. I think you need to understand what it means to be the defining music of a generation, it means the music that most represented what people wanted through that time. Name someone who has had more of an impact on the same amount of people, for the same length of time as Beyonce. Who else has been in the top 5 or so artists consistently since 1997? You might not want to acknowledge it, but believe it our generation will be remembered and represented by the likes of Beyonce.

lol are you sure that music isnt important to them? So people are just spending money for the sake of it? Think it through mate, just because you wouldnt buy her music doesnt make her irrellevant to the millions of people worldwide who give over their hard earned money to own her songs and albums, while the 'relevent' artists dont have two pennies to scrape together because 'real' music fans illegally download their music. You dont get people to hand over their money for the length of time that she has without being good, and without making music that people want to hear.

I agree with what you look for in a good singer, I dont look for technical ability either, heart and soul is the most important thing. But to say that Beyonce doesnt have that, doesnt put her heart and soul into her music is just basically burying your head in the sand and ignoring the fantastic music that she has made.

Good Beyonce:



Bad Beyonce:


Unfortunately, most of her stuff leans toward "Bad Beyonce" for me.

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FYI: It's mine.

She'll probably sing some more.

Oh, and she'll have the baby.

Beyonce has got some talent. As posted above, she has some decent songs and some... not so great songs...

I'm not a fan but I can appreciate she does have a talent, more than other pop singers currently out there.

i dunno, i feel people like Adam Lambert or Cheryl Cole has mre taste in picking out songs to sing

Beyonce mostly sings generic fodder, and I've always like Destiny's Child better anyway

Um , I don't know what songs of hers you are talking about. I can understand a few singles but if you actually listen to hear album and hear the great music that gets played from that all female band that she put together from her 3rd album I believe it was and also used them for the fourth one as well you wouldn't say that.

any links?

Yeah, I'll shoot you a PM

B'Day is the album I'm thinking of which was her second.

sure, feel free to change my mind

Radiohead.

beyonce imo is abit overrated, shes more of a greatest hits artist imo.. only maybe 2 or 3 songs per album are anygood.

I think she was much better with Destinys child.

ok, finally heard it

it's only "all right"

doesn't really rock my world

Pregnancy should have no impact on one's ability to continued conduction their career.

Its hard to breast feed and dance at the same time. :shycouch:

It's Beyonce dude.
If her tit's sagged a little, who gives a ****, she'd still be one of the hottest women on the planet.

To her credit, she's a world renowned star, and one of the planets biggest names, she's not going to have a career dive just because she's pregnant, especially since her husbands just as famous.

It shouldn't be but pregnancy doesn't last for ever. This is Beyonce we're talking about, most of these glamour artists find ways around keeping their shape and looking good during pregnancy.

Just taking a stab in the dark here but labour would be a good guess, aye?